THis is on the element 11 board but I hought I would put it here too. PLease respond on the other board if you must please. Thank you.
OK..So This is really silly but I am just this kind of number and Word geek. I blame the Ceremonial Magicians of the world (you now who you are) but I just have to put this down somewhere.
(ahem) Element 11 was originally called Sinorgy, Sin has a number value of 770 thus relating to an egyptian name of God "ON" . Also giving us the double seven showing venus or artsiness in motion with a zero possibly refering to the endless cycle.
Orgy is from Orgia which is a ritual. The Rites of Eleusis were such rites causing a drunken like stuper and forever changing the life of those who participated in them. The only early rites which we have no idea of what really happened. No one told or wrote. (ED. word)Also Orgy has a number value of 238 which makes it numerically equivalent to the Zohar. A Jewish tradition of writings commonly used by Jewish mystics and Rabbi's. The Zohar is much more than I care to put down here so if you are unfamiliar I am sorry.
These two parts together bring us the number value of 1008. This is, as a symbol the division between Ego (as defined by freud) and Knowledge or book learning.
Of course we all know it now as Element 11 which as we know is the element Salt, or NA. (hehe)
Salt is in part four ideas, each representing a "magickal element" Subtilis, Aqua, Lux, and Terra. The four quarters drawn. Let me come back to Salt in pt 2 of this rant.
Element has a value of 129 which is equivelant to Pleasure (ODNH in Hebrew) or Delight (OVNG). and with the 11 comes to 140 which is equivalent to ISIS or to Muhammid ( an alternate spelling). Also "Silly" like this rant.
Then is the NA idea. In hebrew, which is where I have been drawing the numeric values to here, NA means failure..so let us look at greek, which gives us 51 or a staff, and ONE (ness). And in Enochian its 56 which is equivalent to ABOZA, the cherubic name of the air angle of the Earth Tablet. Seems difficult but will be worth it later.
When considered under the gematrtia of nothing or no-thing we come across the number 13. OH what do we do here. Thirteen has so many ideas to it now but lets look at the equivalencies first. Adeptus MInor comes to mind as does adjustment (the tarot card) Also AZAZOTH the intelligence of infinite chaos. Also we get burning (again) and the idea of the Abyss or St. john the divines dark light of the soul. (don't get me started on that subject) But still we get a dominatrix, the enterer and hoor-paar-kraat. Also Pisces and buggery, desert, and the phrases "I am powerless", I console not", and "I invoke"...We also get "Robert Plant" here.......hmmmmm....
so now is just SALT...
I am so very sorry this is so long at this point I want to quit. "I see thee hate the hand and the keyboard..."
Salt as we discussed is another wording for the four elements but is also A numeric value of 30 in enochian which gives us OAK. Hmmm. did I explain Enochian? oh well...look it up its just another system of Magick brought about in Elizabethan times by a swindler and Queen elizabeths mathamagician...?
In greek it is 531 which is "altogether".
To return to Hebrew it gives us 100 which is equivelant to "in na gadda da vida" (hehe) or Lucious, the original name of Nero.
The concept that most intrigues me is the opposition of Saint and Salt. First there is the ST which is Shin And Tau. An idea of crucifying (also equivalent in G.O.N. to NA) The spirit. The Death of the sperm on the altar of the Goddess. The tarot cards of Judgement (shin) and The world (tau) . A force particular to the times in our world since the 1920's. These two letters are teh first and the last of each word. this is where they are the same idea with very opposite centers or Ego's. "AL" is the presence of all things. The knowledge and the art combined. The Ox and the goad to move it. While AIN is the negative. Not the lack of anything for no-thing has existed. No center has formed, no word spoken, a pure psychedelic infinity. Before the creation of everything.
Whew..So the idea of saint and the idea of Salt are in opposition. WE have Salt...and plenty of it. A force of our times with the presence of no-presence. A giving up of the future (sperm) to the greater principle (altar) Of that which is not yet.
Or we could be a bunch of drunks in the desert. either way I get to play records out there somewhere this year.
Thanks for your time
JeshL
OK..So This is really silly but I am just this kind of number and Word geek. I blame the Ceremonial Magicians of the world (you now who you are) but I just have to put this down somewhere.
(ahem) Element 11 was originally called Sinorgy, Sin has a number value of 770 thus relating to an egyptian name of God "ON" . Also giving us the double seven showing venus or artsiness in motion with a zero possibly refering to the endless cycle.
Orgy is from Orgia which is a ritual. The Rites of Eleusis were such rites causing a drunken like stuper and forever changing the life of those who participated in them. The only early rites which we have no idea of what really happened. No one told or wrote. (ED. word)Also Orgy has a number value of 238 which makes it numerically equivalent to the Zohar. A Jewish tradition of writings commonly used by Jewish mystics and Rabbi's. The Zohar is much more than I care to put down here so if you are unfamiliar I am sorry.
These two parts together bring us the number value of 1008. This is, as a symbol the division between Ego (as defined by freud) and Knowledge or book learning.
Of course we all know it now as Element 11 which as we know is the element Salt, or NA. (hehe)
Salt is in part four ideas, each representing a "magickal element" Subtilis, Aqua, Lux, and Terra. The four quarters drawn. Let me come back to Salt in pt 2 of this rant.
Element has a value of 129 which is equivelant to Pleasure (ODNH in Hebrew) or Delight (OVNG). and with the 11 comes to 140 which is equivalent to ISIS or to Muhammid ( an alternate spelling). Also "Silly" like this rant.
Then is the NA idea. In hebrew, which is where I have been drawing the numeric values to here, NA means failure..so let us look at greek, which gives us 51 or a staff, and ONE (ness). And in Enochian its 56 which is equivalent to ABOZA, the cherubic name of the air angle of the Earth Tablet. Seems difficult but will be worth it later.
When considered under the gematrtia of nothing or no-thing we come across the number 13. OH what do we do here. Thirteen has so many ideas to it now but lets look at the equivalencies first. Adeptus MInor comes to mind as does adjustment (the tarot card) Also AZAZOTH the intelligence of infinite chaos. Also we get burning (again) and the idea of the Abyss or St. john the divines dark light of the soul. (don't get me started on that subject) But still we get a dominatrix, the enterer and hoor-paar-kraat. Also Pisces and buggery, desert, and the phrases "I am powerless", I console not", and "I invoke"...We also get "Robert Plant" here.......hmmmmm....
so now is just SALT...
I am so very sorry this is so long at this point I want to quit. "I see thee hate the hand and the keyboard..."
Salt as we discussed is another wording for the four elements but is also A numeric value of 30 in enochian which gives us OAK. Hmmm. did I explain Enochian? oh well...look it up its just another system of Magick brought about in Elizabethan times by a swindler and Queen elizabeths mathamagician...?
In greek it is 531 which is "altogether".
To return to Hebrew it gives us 100 which is equivelant to "in na gadda da vida" (hehe) or Lucious, the original name of Nero.
The concept that most intrigues me is the opposition of Saint and Salt. First there is the ST which is Shin And Tau. An idea of crucifying (also equivalent in G.O.N. to NA) The spirit. The Death of the sperm on the altar of the Goddess. The tarot cards of Judgement (shin) and The world (tau) . A force particular to the times in our world since the 1920's. These two letters are teh first and the last of each word. this is where they are the same idea with very opposite centers or Ego's. "AL" is the presence of all things. The knowledge and the art combined. The Ox and the goad to move it. While AIN is the negative. Not the lack of anything for no-thing has existed. No center has formed, no word spoken, a pure psychedelic infinity. Before the creation of everything.
Whew..So the idea of saint and the idea of Salt are in opposition. WE have Salt...and plenty of it. A force of our times with the presence of no-presence. A giving up of the future (sperm) to the greater principle (altar) Of that which is not yet.
Or we could be a bunch of drunks in the desert. either way I get to play records out there somewhere this year.
Thanks for your time
JeshL
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Sure, why not.
Sin being and enless cycle, meaning that each year we will meet together in the desert under a drunken stupor, that we will prolly visit again many times throught the year...but only on 531 (suprisingly being my birthday) will we be altogether in the land of salt. Creating yet another ritual, of usually unexplainable and secretive majick all it's own
Reaching a point of loss of ego, and in doing so gaining knowledge, of something that we actually wont realize until later in the year...as we will have to at the moment bathe in the idea that with Salt comes clensing, and with elemnt being 129, we must find pleasure but with the Contradictory NA being failure, we will not be able to comprehend the lessons or the full amount of pleasure until we actually LEAVE the NA.
But in the time that we come up with nothing, we will have to blance that out with something, that is where chaos really works here...becuase the number 13 is so strong, yet still leaves us with nothing, we will have no choice but to ignite the fires kindling light amongst the darkness and confussion unitl we are able to come to, again after sun up, and a nice cup of coffee. we should all be able to 531 again, and come to some sort of solution....one would hope...and if not, we had a nice weekend in the desert with our friends, during a very powerful time, with some very powerful elements...and damnit, that is good enough for me
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I am actually really drawn towards the idea of the ST (31 by a certain perversion nown to many) warrior filled with Ain (no-thing). A s'ain't being brought into the ST warrior filled with Al (31) or the powers of everything. And your right that the warrior could not comprehend this except in retrospect. Much like the psychedelic experience of the shaman, it cannot be considered until after it is over for the experience itself is so engulfing that "reality" cannot interfere. A Saint tranformed into Salt. In Utah!!!!
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I think I know how you might figure this one out Jeshl.
but I have to be there watching
you have to lick the salt man
It's the only way to truly connect. hahaha
no, but I really love to be without shoes on them flats...it's feels like a little skin eating massage out there ;) hahahaha
Geromie trecks thru the waters out there, the colors are cool, but I haven't yet wondered into the mucky waters...this is waters away from camp...we love us some wonderin' as you know...I dont think we'd dare treck thru the waters AT the camping area!!
I'm excited for some good times this year. You gonna make the april GV trip with us again?? Remember you finally made it last year?? That was a good time!!! :D
I think on your philosophy, also, that you may only be able to catch peices of it...cuz if you end up out there alot (as we burners do at least once a year) you will either find more and more answers, or the situation will always be changing. There for leaving you constantly spinning circles (as a DJ does) But again, I suggest licking the Salt.
Love ya Jesh
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My truck wandered into the mucky waters two years ago and got seriously stuck. Seabase had to pull me out with a big ole tractor. We were doing some mudding I tell you. Ha... sorry to derail the thread.
Interesting words Mr. Jeshl. I am familiar with the concept of the Gematria but do not know enough to discuss the details with you, but I like your way of thinking and how you seek to delve for answers.
So yeah, contrary to BlackSunshines suggestion, don't lick the salt... or was that the brown acid? I don't remember.
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