The Nath lineage

topic posted Tue, March 29, 2011 - 5:52 PM by  ENIAD
Wanted to read on it but showed up too late : (

Very curious about the immortals. Any links?
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  • Unsu...

    Re: The Nath lineage

    Tue, March 29, 2011 - 8:56 PM
    It is all my fault this time so sorry :-(
    Very curious about the immortals too haha!
    Must be very boring to be them from so not worried about dying!!!
    • Re: The Nath lineage

      Wed, March 30, 2011 - 9:06 AM
      Like Leonard Orr says in his book Breaking the Death Habit: you're never done.

      I guess that the thread cannot be restored now : (

      The flesh is very weak but the spirit can be amazingly strong.
      • Re: The Nath lineage

        Wed, March 30, 2011 - 9:34 AM
        Are you always this clumsy in RL and what is that doing to your Karma?
        • Unsu...

          Re: The Nath lineage

          Wed, March 30, 2011 - 11:27 AM
          Yes and Yes!
          I do not wish to be reborn to a god realm so ......

          Try these links:

          • Re: The Nath lineage

            Wed, March 30, 2011 - 11:43 AM
            Got this under Immortal Naths:

            'Sorry, there are no documents matching your search.'

            But plenty under Nath

            Can someone tell me where to start?
            • Re: The Nath lineage

              Wed, March 30, 2011 - 3:55 PM
              Adinath (Guru Sri Dattatreya)
              Machchendranath and Jalandharnath
              There are more Ancient Nath Siddhas---> Like, Bhoganath, Nandinath, Sundarnath, Bhriguram Paramhamsa, Dharamnath of Tilla, etc.

              Guru Machchendranath -----> Guru Gorakhnath ------> Gehininath -----> Nivrittinath -----> Sant Gyaneshwar of Maharashtra

              Gorakhnath----> Bhartrihari / King Bharthari
              Gorakhnath-----> Puran Bhagat (who grew back severed limbs)
              Gorakhnath----> Kalbhoj Bappa of Rajasthan-----> Gorkha Tribe -----> Kings of Nepal
              Gorakhnath-----> Svatmaram (author of Hathayoga Pradipika)
              Gorakhnath------> Goga
              Gorakhnath-----> Balaknath
              Gorakhnath-------> the 12 and half divisions of the Nath order assembled under Gorakhpanthis.

              Guru Jalandharnath -----> Kanifnath / Kanifanath / Kanipanath / (Kanhapa of Charya-pada)

              Jalandharnath-----> King Gopichand

              Siddhas of modern times:
              Gambhirnath (last well known Mahasiddha who lived just 100 years ago), Vishuddhananda Paramhamsa, Sundarnath, Abhayananda-ji, etc.

              Although the Moderator Nyonpa erased this thread by mistake, I found this copy in the Cache of Google Search engine.
              • Re: The Nath lineage

                Wed, March 30, 2011 - 4:02 PM
                The missing parts:
                Mark said: But what does this have to do with Buddhism?

                Amitabha said: It has something to do with Hatha-yoga, Trul Khor and the Kargyutpa... but for now, rest your head. What are you trying to figure out, when there is nothing in emptiness? Somethings are best understood by just witnessing, but not analyzing.
                "mi dpyod".

                Nyonpa said: Lots of things in emptiness NOT NOTHING by the way Amitabha hahahaha!
                I got nothing in the bank but there is still lots of things in the bank!!!! ;-)

                Amitabha said: Actualization of emptiness is .... just what is .... boundless emptiness.
                If you try to analyze it's nature, you will only miss it.
                If you try to tag it as "Vajrayana emptiness", "Tibetan emptiness", "Zen emptiness", "Shaivite emptiness", you cannot, for it is "out of this world of names and forms". It is nothing to be Monopolized.
                The Vajrayana, Nath, Shaivism, Hindu Tantra, Zen, etc, are only paths. But they are not emptiness. They are just ways to arrive there.

                Forrester said: Emptiness I feel is a poor word. I feel "uncluttered infinite spaciousness" more closely descibes my experience.

                Mark said: Indeed, that would be the case if one has some
                experience of no-self. It is very refreshing, has some
                sense of vastness and the mind is very clear, sharp
                and vivid. It's a peculiar sensation to have no
                self-reference yet have these other things.

                Forrester said: I agree one has to experience No-self to appreciate the awe of Tongpa-nyi. I found, howeevr that I needed to fell a strong sense of self before I could dissipate into no-self. Language is very insufficient expression but it is what we have if direct experience is not an option.

                Mark said: True. It is unhealthy to undermine a
                "broken self." But assuming one is
                basically psychologically healthy,
                there's no reason to fear reality--
                even if it is unflattering! ;)

                Forrester said: Very well said! nicely communicated. The "broken self" is one of the expeiences I survived for years. Throught developing my conscious mind I began to reconnect these shattered pieces. This is for me is the primary core of my perception of Right View, or more specifically "Conscious View" Which is the axiomatic embrace that such a process is possible by conscious intention
                • Re: The Nath lineage

                  Wed, March 30, 2011 - 7:05 PM
                  Oh, thank you very much. I am very interested in this material.

                  Nyonpa! You Karma is restored.
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                    Re: The Nath lineage

                    Fri, April 1, 2011 - 7:29 AM
                    It must be restored momentarily for a few days because I have left the woods and been living very well ocean front.
                    • Re: The Nath lineage

                      Fri, April 1, 2011 - 7:20 PM
                      The evolving event that is the mindi s uncharacterizable but awareness of such does not require characterization. For me to go about my moments of the day focussing on the mind may seem from the outside as aloof indeed. These are trivial attachments, however, and awareness focussed on the mind and the moments, perceptions etc has little time, effort, intent or interest to spend on such. I see that this trivializes these attachments to continually dissipating insignificance and inanity to the point of nonexistence for they only exist to the extent that we grasp on to them.

                      Love and affirmation,

                      Forrester Tongpa-Nyi
                      • Re: The Nath lineage

                        Sat, April 2, 2011 - 10:37 AM
                        Mindfulness or, not, Yahoooooo!

                        India wins the ICC world cup cricket. Yesss!
                        • Unsu...

                          Re: The Nath lineage

                          Sat, April 2, 2011 - 2:28 PM
                          Huge Congratulations So Awesome Go India!!!

                          Could this be attachment? Hahahaha!
                          Neat!!! I am yogin redneck that can't stay on topic too!
                          YEEHAW!!!! BaHahahahahahaha!!!
                          What the hell IS cricket?
                          Cotton-pickin huntin fer dharma over yonder in duh woods is muh sport old son master chief buddy sport!
                          Don't quote me boy I spit beechnutt in yer eye and fix your britches by hemming you up something nice hahahaha!
                      • Unsu...


                        Sat, April 2, 2011 - 2:57 PM
                        Forrester Tongpa Nyi thanks for the love and affirmation!
                        I agree with you from my own experience it is very bad always uselessly contemplating these things hahaha!

                        Yes my understanding of Buddhism really lags here and many other places.
                        It seems that in Buddhism we learn that EVERYTHING is only in one's mind! Yes and NO because even if one always has pure naked mind Just because you do not think of something or are ignorant of something does not mean it does not exist!!!
                        It seems in Buddhism many people are in two groups:

                        People thinking that they are creator gods of all reality when they obviously don't and those that think they create almost nothing at all in reality when they obviously do. Buddha says middle-way beyond extremes and I agree with him too.

                        But to be honest I don't know shit no matter how much I try.
                        • Re: .

                          Mon, April 4, 2011 - 12:20 PM
                          Quote: the middle path, author unknown (at least by me). sounds good! :)

                          <<"The ordinary people, accept the time and matters (like chair, table etc.) and persons (Mum, Dad and brother etc.).Then they accept the world. Once a person started to listen Sathdhamma, he/she would hear that the world (knowledge) is an illusion. A Part of the listeners follow the Buddha and they accept his sermons, but they cannot see the vision, because truth cannot be accepted. The second part of listeners does not follow the Buddha’s teaching, and they do not accept what Buddha saying. They also cannot see the vision, because truth cannot be unaccepted either. The third part of listeners has suspicion of all kind of knowledge, but they listen to the Buddha repeatedly. If some one listens to the Saddhamma his/her thinking will be degraded because Saddhamma will develop the path of ‘seeing’ but not the procedure of “understanding”. The ‘understanding process’ enhances the thinking. However the path of ‘seeing’ deteriorates the thinking and this is the path to the vision. One day he/she will see the universal truth without thinking. At this moment, he/she cannot see the world through your eyes, because the world is created by the thinking/knowledge. He/she sees the ‘Aloka’, the ‘Panna’ ( Aloko Udapadie, Panna Udapadie). If someone sees the Buddha’s words, he/she has no more suspicion and no more duality. Why is that? He has no more accepted knowledge left in his mind to suspect. This is the middle path beyond the knowledge. Enlightened one moves in the middle path without any effort. Some of the ordinary people believe the middle path is existed through the knowledge. They use their effort to see the vision through their knowledge. Nobody can find the middle path through the knowledge, because knowledge is always relative to one another. We cannot stay in the middle between the fear and aversion because fear and aversion are relative to the person’s knowledge. The middle path is beyond the knowledge, beyond the duality and beyond the time. No more acceptances of knowledge in the Middle path.">>
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                            Mon, April 4, 2011 - 12:37 PM
                            In reality my days are filled with big wet baby poo-poo's. And tey are stinky too!! haha!!!!
                          • Unsu...

                            Re: .

                            Mon, April 4, 2011 - 12:56 PM
                            Excellent Jason Thank You For Sharing The Good Stuff........ and The Bad Stuff P-U!
                            • Nath Lineage---> Kanipa Nath and Charyapada

                              Thu, April 14, 2011 - 2:13 PM
                              It is unclear if Kanipanath or, Kanifnath, the disciple of Guru JalandharNath is the same person as Kanhapa, the main poet in Charyapada or, Charya Giti Kosh. But its a formidable impression.

                              The Charyapada discovered by Prof. Haraprasad Shastri contains 47 songs. But that seems to be incomplete. The Original Charyapad contained 51 songs, as found in the Tibetan version of Charyapad discovered by Dr. Prabodh Chandra Bagchi.

                              Kanhapa (Or, Kanhapad) seems to be the main poet of Charyapad. Of the total number of 24 poets, Kanhapa is the author of 12 songs, Bhusukupad wrote 6 songs, Sarahapad (Saraha-pa) wrote 4 songs; the rest of the authors being: Veenapa, Dombipa, Kukkuripa, Sabarapa, Luipada, Aryadevapa, Tantripa, etc. These are really songs with a standard melody (Raga or, Ragini) and rhythm (Tala) mentioned with each Pada or, song. Examples of Ragas are: Kamoda, Bhairavi, Gurjari, Pat-Manjari, etc. The language is early Bengali, with a heavy admixture of Maithili.

                              Some facts about Kanhapa:
                              He was a Siddhacharya contemporaneous with King Devapala of the Pala Dynasty (around 900-950 Ad). His original name was Krishnacharya-Pada, which became distorted to Kanhapada , Kanhilpa, etc. He was a lover of music. He gave specific directions for melodies and rhythms for each of his songs. He was a clever poet, an expert in sandya or, twilight language; his songs are pregnant with multiple inner meanings and metaphors.
                              Other works by Kanhapa are:
                              Hevajra-Paddhati Mandala-vidhi,
                              Sri-Hevajra Panjika Yoga-Ratna-mala.

                              Do I also need to mention, that most of the Charyapada songs are themed on Hevajra-Tantra? Hope, some of you will find the above info useful,
                • Re: The Nath lineage

                  Thu, March 31, 2011 - 7:23 PM
                  I had to read some more of Yongey Mingyur Rimpoche to ponder Mark's comment that "boken Self" was not possible. What I took away from reading, wrtiting and meditating over 3 days was that "self" is another term for the "Natural Mind" I understand "natural mind" or mind of nature to be the essence of mind most closely to the view of an innocent child. Innocent of attachments in the form of emotional injuries, misconceptions, prejudices, vlue judgements, poor methods, etc. Conscious percetion of one's natural mindr equires the dissipation of these attachments while focussing effortlessly undistracted on the pure and clear "Heart" which I understand asthe core of one's desire to experience joy.

                  Achieving the above through "GOM" or getting familiar with one's natural mind through meditation allows a state of "natural peace" that had permeated all along, to vibrate undampened throughout one's awareness. The origin of the natural mind stems from the continual cycling of living genesis. The living genesis from embryonic stage to maturity to gametogenesis to fertilization and to embryo and again the continual cycling of evolving events that is life. The evolving event of consciousness that becomes aware of the "No-self" , no end or beginning embraces "Tongpa-Nyi" as the ubiquitous uncharacterizable potential. This potential seems to be most recognizeable in children who innocent of many attachments are seen as precious.

                  Again, Emptiness is a poor english translation of Tongpa-Nyi IMO. It has inaccurate attachments of loss and value judgement as inadequate. It misses the consideration of life's preciousness and uncharacterizable potential.

                  Forrester Tongpa-Nyi
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                    Re: The Nath lineage

                    Thu, March 31, 2011 - 7:42 PM

                    You're on to something. The nature of mind is a very subtle consciousness or
                    awareness, if you will. Such a "Mind" is beyond and before i.e. primordial to
                    an sense of self. it is uncompounded, unconfined, and has no characteristics
                    whatsoever. Omniscient Longchenpa and Jigme Lingpa both call it a
                    "Mind beyond mind."

                    It is not a thing, not a state, it is non-conceptual; yet it can be experienced.
                    Emptiness is in fact a weak translation...

                    If you have no self, you have no problems. You never did. You never will.
                    But, if you reference experiences toward some owner of your body,
                    or some kind of thing we call "my mind," or "my experience and feelings"
                    then there's no end to problems!

                    But if there were such a mind, then we'd call it "me mind" but rather we think
                    its something we think we posses. Can such a possessor be found?
                    Is it in your head, finger, right ear...?
                    • Unsu...

                      Re: The Nath lineage

                      Fri, April 1, 2011 - 7:24 AM
                      This mind measures and confounds me to no end haha!
                      It is funny how non-attachment can seem either precious or horribly aloof hahaha!