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This guy is part of my extended circle, but I never met him directly, he IS brilliant though:
www3.interscience.wiley.com/jour...tract
"A Living Will Clause for Supporters of Animal Experimentation
DAVID SZTYBEL 1
"ABSTRACT
"Many people assume that invasive research on animals is justified because of its supposed benefits and because of the supposed mental inferiority of animals. However probably most people would be unwilling to sign a living will which consigns themselves to live biomed-ical experimentation if they ever, through misfortune, end up with a mental capacity equivalent to a laboratory animal. The benefits would be greater by far for medical science if living will signatories were to be used, and also the mental superiority boast would no longer apply. Ultimately, it is argued that invasive biomedical experiments would be unacceptable in a democratic society whose members are philosophically self-consistent. "
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I will even use this idea in demos for those people who say that it is acceptable to test on animals because animals have no mind and no forethought. "So.." I will say. "would you be willing to sign such a living will if you should ever become "brain dead" or severely mentally disabled? Why not? because even if you can still FEEL pain, it doesn't matter because you have no mind, and no memory of the pain." ;-)
what do you think?
www3.interscience.wiley.com/jour...tract
"A Living Will Clause for Supporters of Animal Experimentation
DAVID SZTYBEL 1
"ABSTRACT
"Many people assume that invasive research on animals is justified because of its supposed benefits and because of the supposed mental inferiority of animals. However probably most people would be unwilling to sign a living will which consigns themselves to live biomed-ical experimentation if they ever, through misfortune, end up with a mental capacity equivalent to a laboratory animal. The benefits would be greater by far for medical science if living will signatories were to be used, and also the mental superiority boast would no longer apply. Ultimately, it is argued that invasive biomedical experiments would be unacceptable in a democratic society whose members are philosophically self-consistent. "
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I will even use this idea in demos for those people who say that it is acceptable to test on animals because animals have no mind and no forethought. "So.." I will say. "would you be willing to sign such a living will if you should ever become "brain dead" or severely mentally disabled? Why not? because even if you can still FEEL pain, it doesn't matter because you have no mind, and no memory of the pain." ;-)
what do you think?
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Re: Living will for supporters of animal experimentation
Tue, August 12, 2008 - 3:14 PMBrilliant. I'd love to see how people try to squirm out of this one.
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Re: Living will for supporters of animal experimentation
Wed, August 13, 2008 - 3:25 PMThat's brilliant!! What a great idea, it totally exposes the hypocrisy. I'd like to see someone stumble with words while trying to come up with an excuse for that!! I guess i'm feeling a bit mean right now >*) -
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Re: Living will for supporters of animal experimentation
Thu, August 21, 2008 - 9:58 PMThis is a nice one.
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Re: Living will for supporters of animal experimentation
Mon, September 1, 2008 - 9:29 PMexcellent!
do you have a copy of that living will?
then we can have them sign up right then and there!
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Re: Living will for supporters of animal experimentation
Fri, September 19, 2008 - 9:55 AMCopied from the pdf paper, probably needs some formatting:
I, _______________, being a supporter of animal experiments who is of sound mind
and body, do hereby consent to being utilized in biomedical research, as a ‘special
volunteer’,
WHEREAS my mental capacity, through accident, injury, or developmental problems,
will have become equivalent to that of a nonhuman animal;
WHEREAS such research could be defended on grounds of possible benefits;
WHEREAS such research is comparable to such research now conducted on animals;
and
WHEREAS said research will be approved by the National Research Board.
In signing this document, I take no special notice of any heroism on my part, but
am simply doing my expected duty, which any conscientious citizen rightly ought to
undertake.
Date:
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Re: Living will for supporters of animal experimentation
Fri, September 19, 2008 - 10:00 AMP.S. If you're going to try to get people to sign this at a demonstration or something, bring a Notary with you. :) -
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Re: Living will for supporters of animal experimentation
Fri, September 19, 2008 - 10:07 AMP.P.S. For Canada I believe it should read "National Research Council" and for the U.S. it should be "National Institute of Health"
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