The medicine of Palos

topic posted Tue, November 28, 2006 - 5:04 PM by  offlinevegetalista
Travis-

Since we've been talking a lot about different plant spirits, including woods and such, I was curious if you could share a list of Palos and their basic medicines. I know you've mentioned a few, but this is something I'd like to learn more about.

I suspect there may be some whose medicine you can't share, which I both understand and respect, but anything you could share would be helpful. I think it could be interesting to work with these Palos in ceremony. I personally am drawn to "stick medicine" a great deal and, for example, am thrilled at the prospect of getting a Myrtle staff from LLB.

Thanks for your continued sharing. I've learned a lot from you already.

Grateful,
Veg
  • Re: The medicine of Palos

    Tue, November 28, 2006 - 5:21 PM
    well in vegetalismo and curendersimo we dont have many secrets... not that i have seen at least...
    in vegetalismo there are a trype of curandero called a paloero as well... totaly unrelated to travis's tradition... they work with tree medicnes and do dietas with trees...
    i think there is alot of room for exploration in that area... there are trees all over the world that you could dieta with that would teach youmany things... VS for instance is planning on doing the deita with aciaca correct VS... that would make him a paloero...
    hmmm an acaicia staff would be pretty cool...
    i know that there are many trees that have sacred as well as medicianal properties... i havee allways been fond of madrona... as well as alder.. alder being the symbote that cyanecean mushrooms live with... so to us PNW people its a special tree under the skin of this tree there form little well beads that can be harvested and drilled and worn... tey are very special. alder is a water tree...it helps by offering protection during transition, and helps you to trust prophetic insight...
    birch would make a good stave... its medicineis balance and healing, as well as opening new dimensions...
    i personaly love fir and pine and cedar... the great everr greens that i have spent my life with...
    cedar is a tree that has befreinded me... i work with cedars leaves in ceremony for cleanseing and purification as well as to bring newness, freshness and strength... cedar is tall and straight and strong... it is also a giving tree who has helped by giving us to much clothing, shelter, nearly everything people had inthe PNW was made of cedar... cedar is very loving...
    pine is balanced strength with softness, emotional protection and healing...
    fir i beleive is purity...kindness...and offering...
    orange would be great for releaseing fears that people hold unto and cause sickness and bad luck...
    • Re: The medicine of Palos

      Fri, December 1, 2006 - 6:03 PM
      I love the feelings I get from being around birch trees. Their spirits are very maternal. They are the nurses of the woods. Where I live now, there aren't many white paper birches except a few planted ornamentally in front yards. However, up in Maine where my parents have a cottage, they are very common. I was able to get some sections of birch trunks from them since several fell in storms on their land. One of the trunks I have on a table for my ancestors and spirit guides... on the part for my Abenaki ancestors. I have read that the ancient Abenakis would wrap their dead in birch bark.
  • Re: The medicine of Palos

    Tue, November 28, 2006 - 7:14 PM
    Well, lets see, seeing that a complete list would make my head explode, i will rattle off a small list as they come to mind. Rest assured that i am already neck deep in finding the correct botanical classifications- so you can expect a book available next season that is soley focused on palos, it is my love. And while like yourban ewe, they have different owners, palos are viewed as more heavily influenced with Ozain than other plant materials. The cult of Ozain has the same status in Palo as Orunmila does in Ifa. AND YOU KNOW, WHILE I THINK OF IT, WE SHOULD HAVE A SACRED STICK EXCHANGE PROGRAM HERE, as we all use sacred sticks in all our traditions, and like you Veg, i get all excited when a stick from another medicine place is sent to me. Within the beleifs of palo, you need to sing songs (mambos) to the sticks, to open them, to realease the spirit medicine. Similar to some of the different camwood songs sang to Osun/Osain. Many palos are used for many different ends and needs. Palos that go into a sacred kettle are refered to as "Cargo's", they have a general nature to assist the spirit associated with the kettle. And in general, they are chosed from certain groupings. Then there are groupings of palos that are just "for works".
    There is alot that is forbidden to talk of, but there is enouph that isn't to keep this discussion intresting and helpful.
    PALOS
    ----------------------------------------------------

    La Ceiba (kapok, or silk-cotton tree) (if anyone reads this that lives around any, PLEASE CONTACT ME!!!!!) Ceiba tree is probably the most important tree of Palo. It is the spirit tree. the dead reside in its roots. Its sticks are used for all things for spirit communication, and manifesting spiritual powers. Powerful medicines are made in its shade. Zombi medicines are made under it. It is the resivoier of Lunar Powers. Its sticks represent the bones of the dead. La Ceiba is a regal lady, any insult to her is quickly punished, heaven and earth commune thru her. Nzambi Mpungo (god on high) touches the earth thru her. She is so sacred that her tree is god.

    Palo Framboyan: is sacred to Oya/Centella- goddess of the cemetary. It is her that gives permission to speak to one of the dead. The large seedpod that is produced on the tree (over a foot long) with its large seeds inside, is used as a rattle to call the attention of the dead.
    It is sacred to all diasporic cults of the dead. This can be used to protect from dead spirits, or call them, depending on the bent of the practitioner. In Haiti, this is the tree that gives Zombi medicine its power, and that one special powder is prepared underneath it. Its black bark makes it intresting.

    Palo Guaramo: sacred to spirit of white clothe, spirit of the tracker. This is shaved into small little peices and placed inside prepared amulet for protection, also grated and used in powerful cleansing and protection baths. do not use if you are of questionalble character, it may decide that it would be protective to house you in jail.

    Palo Guyaba: (guava stick) this is sacred to the warriors, especially Ellegua, and Lucero. we cut it in the form of a hooked staff, feed it medicines, and then the Morning Star that lives with our kettles can use it to "hook" a camino, for the spirit to move along. This is one of the things we have that resembles a mesa, we jam that stick in the ground outside when conducting a ceremony. Guava sticks are also used as "clicking sticks" using a small stick to play a spirit song with it on another guava stick. Opens up doors of Opportunity, especially when they are stubborn.

    Palo Ramon- Ozain stick- used to communicate with and control spirits.

    Palo Raspa Lengua- used in strong cleansing baths. Also used to help one evade the policias. ahem.

    Palo Rompe Zaraguey- (also called break stick) owned the spirit of lightening, you use it to "break on the head of someone cursing you",
    It sends back curses and manipulation, usually with a punishment thrown on top for lesson teaching purposes, ahem.

    Palo Cambia Voz- (chirp a new voice) this palo is used to encourage others to see you in a new light

    Palo Una de Gato- (one of cat) this is used, especially in perfumes, to make your aura sexual and attractive. some use it for witchcraft as well. it makes your immediate energy fields intensify.

    Palo Ven A Mi- follow me. need i say more?

    Palo Amargo- Sacred to the Ocean Mother and Lightening. Ocean mother uses it to protect children, and punish those who hurt children.
    It is also an ingredient in lightening spells.

    Palo Santo- (not the same as the palo santo that you are all familiar with) owned by the god of metal. used to shut a persons mouth. stops gossiping.

    Palo Vence Guerra- this palo fights your battles for you, and is a weapon in a kettle.

    Palo Vira Mundo- (turn the world) this is sacred to Lucero, the Morning Star, who circles the world. a stick for opportunity and success.

    Palo Parasio- for cleansing baths, and for internal cleansing for certain initiation rituals. clears away "heavy" energy. very positive palo.

    Palo Canpeche- sends a witches evil back like an arrow. used in amulet and rituals of protection and journeying.

    Ocotillo branches- used to protect a person or community, and to repel threats. good thing to make crosses of with red yarn and leave in home windows. Good cleansing bath.

    Palo Vence Battala- fights your battle for you. owned by the spirit of lightening.

    Palo Quita Maldicion- aquittal curse, sends back mavolent intentions, aids court cases and keeps you out of jail.

    Palo Dulce- (allspice sticks) for love works, to protect a family, good for jobs and prosperity

    Camwood - red irosun- this is used to protect ones spirit. in allignment with your guardian angel. It is a componant of all fetishes that are
    fed hot food, it contains one of the highest amounts of red ashe (power). When it is made into a paste and put on a cleanly shaved head, it induces an ancient energy, and readies one for possesion. It goes in countless amounts of protection and character development medicines.

    Palo Abre Camino- used in many cleansing paths to remove negative energies, and to open the road for you- opportunities.

    Palo Caja- Punishes a witch, and protects from magic

    Palo Namo- sacred to the messenger/eshu, for working thru situations that are hard to change, wedges the path open. good for difficult situations.

    Palo Vencedora- to help you succeed in an undertaking, to come out victorious. to fly above a situation. added to other palos, helps them succeed in working for you.

    Palo Mulatto- this stick is to help you keep working at a situation, it helps other sticks be persistent with their work. use in situations that are hard to change, or are "stuck"

    Palo Espanta Muerto- (scare the dead) this palo removes unwanted deads.

    Palo Chuaisimo- also called union of matrimony, this is to help one attract what one needs for their heart- usually a mate, but sometimes can be used for special requests for beneficial things- like property for a home, etc.

    Palo Pino (pine tree) is sacred to the god of lightening and is used for cleansing baths and to invoke divine justice.

    Ok, Veg, the ol fingers are getting weary. is that an ok starter for ya? There are literally hundreds of sticks, and to acheive something, it is rarely one type of stick that is used, like orisa, there are numbers of sticks used, and they work together in a formula to spell the desired outcome. The above are some popularly used palos.
    • Re: The medicine of Palos

      Tue, November 28, 2006 - 7:31 PM
      wow... thats very interesting...

      Palo Rompe Zaraguey- (also called break stick) owned the spirit of lightening, you use it to "break on the head of someone cursing you",
      It sends back curses and manipulation, usually with a punishment thrown on top for lesson teaching purposes, ahem.
      i could use on of those...
      we shoudl have a sacred stick exchange!!! thats a capital idea!!!
      • Re: The medicine of Palos

        Tue, November 28, 2006 - 7:45 PM
        The only one I know grows near where I live is Palo Ocotillo. I'll probably be going to do some work in the desert in the next month or so and can find some. Any special size? Any specific ritual used during the harvesting?
        • Re: The medicine of Palos

          Tue, November 28, 2006 - 8:00 PM
          seeings that we do different traditions, i beleive that whatever offering you give plant people and your prayers would be just fine, i sing my sticks at home when i get them, as in many cases, i am receiving them in the mail anyway. If we began a stick trading cooperative, our sticks would just be so much the better because we can pray for them and the community we know or form. just my 2 cents.
        • Re: The medicine of Palos

          Mon, March 17, 2008 - 11:47 AM
          If you (Richard) ever get back into the desert, i could sure use a small bundle of ocotillo sticks. I may have something of intrest to trade you.
          • Re: The medicine of Palos

            Thu, April 10, 2008 - 3:58 AM
            Excuse had to chime in here'

            Wow I love you guys:)

            Vels said with the imocents of a child' "what's Gede :)~ he he he I fell off my chair bro'~

            Papa Gede'

            n' just to add Palos Zula is some of the sweetest smelling fragrant wood I have ever had the pleasure to posses'

            Awe Travis'

            Great thread folks :)~

            Blessed Be'

            Motumbu'~
      • Re: The medicine of Palos

        Tue, November 28, 2006 - 7:52 PM
        You may have a connection and not even know it- it's latin verbage is Eupatorium Odoratum, it's related to Joe-Pye weed. The Lightning God loves it- i'll be good in your house if YOU are holding one! And yeah, we should have a stick exchange for real, i think we all would benefit from such a service- and i know some of you lurking out there that don't comment but are here none the less that would benefit from such a thing- Right Scott?hehe.
        • Re: The medicine of Palos

          Tue, November 28, 2006 - 7:59 PM
          • Re: The medicine of Palos

            Tue, November 28, 2006 - 8:02 PM
            bingo. its the white variety third and forth picture over.
            • Re: The medicine of Palos

              Tue, November 28, 2006 - 8:05 PM
              wonderfull idea travis...

              i was wondering if you could identify the palos in this bundle?

              www.folkcuba.com/stores/st...page1n.asp
              • Re: The medicine of Palos

                Wed, November 29, 2006 - 3:47 PM
                While this carga could be taken apart and used individually, this is intended as a cargo that is hauled in the kettle as a military powers for the spirit that lives in a nganga. With different tools and implements added to the pot, this bundle is then fed wet food. So these are supposed to be viewed as a type of "concert of powers". Some have functions, some incarnate a god power. These bundles are sacred to all palo beings, but in particular are sacred to the oldest Eshu known(trickster spirit, opener of the way)-Kadipemba. His number is 21, so there are 21 palos in this cargo. (i need to get a few more of these myself)

                1 for love and domination river goddess
                2 Entices others, draws prosperity, river goddess
                3 For White clothe conciousness, and the muertos
                4 Goddess of the Graveyard, bones of the dead
                5 white clothe spirit and lightning spirit, swiftness
                6 speak to the dead, and be protected by them, specific to a few dead gods
                7 warrior energy, refers being ridden
                8 for ellegua
                9 for ellegua and help with police
                10 not sure
                11 fighting warrior stick
                12 turn the world, sacred to Lucero, The Morning Star
                13 Domination- to dominate a situation
                14 protection, cleansing, helps escape the police
                15 for lucero and Kubayende (like saint lazarus)
                16 for spirit of lightning, strenghth
                17 for chew iron spit blood, and the morning star, bad stick, strong spirit stick
                18 i can, and you cannot
                19 for money and prosperity
                20 fight your battles
                21 stick of mounting

                Strong sticks. i want to get that 101 palo powder he has for sale too. hope it isn't bought out by the time i can afford to shop!
        • The Lurker

          Wed, November 29, 2006 - 5:45 PM
          Travis, you have good Egun. I got some Ceiba seeds from e-bay. I'll send you the link if you want. Another note for those of you who are interested, the Ceiba or Silk-Cotton tree (also sacred to the Taino, and I think the Mayans) was adopted in the Americas to replace the Iroko tree of West Africa. Iroko is so sacred, this tree itself is considered an orisha. Apparently the energies are the same between Iroko and Ceiba. Osanyin/Osain is the one who found the new herbs that would be used instead of those left behind across the Atlantic. Ashe to you all.

          Lurking...
          • Re: The Lurker

            Thu, November 30, 2006 - 12:10 PM
            lol! thank god for lurkers, they always burst forth at magical times with the most pertinant of informations. I consider La Ceiba, Framboyan, and Zula to be part of my fundamento.
            • Re: The Lurker

              Thu, November 30, 2006 - 12:12 PM
              so then you allready knew about it?
              or work with it?
              • Re: The Lurker

                Thu, November 30, 2006 - 6:36 PM
                Is this for me or Travis?

                Anyways, I don't work with palos... yet... although, I do know of workings in Lucumi (Santeria/Regla de Ocha) my padrino told me about that use these sticks. I bought the ceiba seeds to try to grow my own tree, at least an indoors bonsai, because it is sacred to certain orishas and is a spirit itself ;-)

                BTW, Travis, it wasn't until only recently that I realized the seedpods we use to call Oya are from the Framboyan tree. There are other local trees that have similar pods that you can shake like a rattle. I think they are locust trees.
                • Re: The Lurker

                  Thu, November 30, 2006 - 7:09 PM
                  mimosa hostilus would be a nice staff to have as well...



                  soooo lurkin hard or hardly lurkin....lol
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Re: The Lurker

                    Thu, November 30, 2006 - 8:33 PM
                    both!

                    I lurk when I can! Wish I caught more of this thread sooner ;-)

                    before I found the ceiba/silk cotton seeds on the web, I mistakenly bought some silk tree (or mimosa) seeds at a greenhouse thinking it was ceiba...
    • Re: The medicine of Palos

      Tue, November 28, 2006 - 7:47 PM
      Is the una de gato the same as the Amazonian variety? The translation is claw of the cat. una de gato, if it's going to mean one of the cat would be uno de gato, unless it's specifically a female cat, in which case it would be una de gata. I'm not a native Spanish speaker, so I may be wrong.
      • Re: The medicine of Palos

        Tue, November 28, 2006 - 7:56 PM
        i'm sorry, my spanish is toast too. i mean "one of cat" and yes, it is the same as amazonian variety, but it is of course the branches, well, vine, anyway, that are used, instead of the bark which is the medicine we hear of.
    • Re: The medicine of Palos

      Tue, November 28, 2006 - 7:49 PM
      "Palo Pino (pine tree) is sacred to the god of lightening and is used for cleansing baths and to invoke divine justice."

      god now that makes sense...


      now where did that link go to the web site you posted travis that sells stuff for the traddition you belong to?
      • Re: The medicine of Palos

        Tue, November 28, 2006 - 7:53 PM
        folkcuba.com the guys name is David Brown, helpful guy.
        • Re: The medicine of Palos

          Tue, November 28, 2006 - 8:05 PM
          i love it when one of us takes an intrest in something and a dozen responses jump out in 15 minutes! that is one of the true values of this tribe!
          • Re: The medicine of Palos

            Wed, November 29, 2006 - 1:22 AM
            "La Ceiba (kapok, or silk-cotton tree) (if anyone reads this that lives around any, PLEASE CONTACT ME!!!!!) Ceiba tree is probably the most important tree of Palo. It is the spirit tree. the dead reside in its roots. Its sticks are used for all things for spirit communication, and manifesting spiritual powers. Powerful medicines are made in its shade. Zombi medicines are made under it. It is the resivoier of Lunar Powers. Its sticks represent the bones of the dead. La Ceiba is a regal lady, any insult to her is quickly punished, heaven and earth commune thru her. Nzambi Mpungo (god on high) touches the earth thru her. She is so sacred that her tree is god."


            i gto a friend who has heaps of them around where he lives i asked for some seeds and wood, is yellow or red better?
    • Re: The medicine of Palos

      Wed, November 29, 2006 - 4:36 AM
      Travis-

      Outstanding! Thanks for this great list. Just what I was looking for, and I appreciate you sharing your knowledge with us. I'll also look forward to your book.

      Ceiba.... Do you need wood or would any part of this great plant spirit be of help? I have some leaves a former student gave to me. A small bag that I keep for ceremonies. If you'd be interested, send me a PM. Glad to share.

      Many thanks.
      Veg
      • Re: The medicine of Palos

        Wed, November 29, 2006 - 4:13 PM
        man i can get this then he says he has loads of yellow bombax so i reckon i can get us a few branches of this one :) hopefully anyway. its up to him to go and get it for us.