I know this might be off topic, but I'm not sure.
Does cannabis grow in the amazon
and if so
is it worked with in amazonian shamanism?
I'm just curious.
Does cannabis grow in the amazon
and if so
is it worked with in amazonian shamanism?
I'm just curious.
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Re: cannabis
Wed, February 6, 2008 - 11:40 PMi have no idea but i guess it would grew really well in the amazon
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Re: cannabis
Thu, February 7, 2008 - 1:23 AMMost of the curanderos I've spoken with don't recommend it's use at all. Some consider it a clouding and confusing influence. Sort of like why drive an old beater when you have a Ferrari, a Porsche, and a Lamborghini in your garage.
I've not seen it growing there.
The Santo Daime folk do use it in their ceremonies and call it Santa Maria. -
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 1:27 AMwhat you write Richard is my experience as well i have foudn that dope clouds an ayahuasca ceremony i will not do that again. however i do find it that the daime work with it so there i spose it is an example of yoru relationships you hold with the plants -
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 2:12 AMThey don't call it dope cause it makes you smarter! -
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 2:16 AMI've seen it dumb down some people,
and I've seen it enlighten others.
The potential is there,
as well as everywhere.
I agree it does make things cloudy,
but it also really helps with nausea.
(Which I'm sure we are all well aware of)
I'm curious, do you guys get nauseous?
Do you just stick it out, or do you have other methods of tackling this uncomfort? -
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 2:29 AMsickness is meant to be gone through, sit strong and embrace it, as when it passes and has done its job you are clean and you will see clearly.
i see no point in trying to dull the nausea especially when we are talking ayahuasca as it is la purga it is meant to make you sick as that is part of its medicine.
yeah.
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 2:32 AMwhen i say sit strong i dont mean fight it i mean open yourself up to it let it come and let it do its job.
another lesson i have learnt is not to fight it. i spent 6 hours one night fighting the most terrible sickness, if only i had listened to that kind frog that came by to help out.
i wouldnt let go, i learnt that night you gotta let go, dont fight
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 10:13 AM> I'm curious, do you guys get nauseous?
I don't.
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Re: cannabis
Thu, February 7, 2008 - 10:33 AMNausea is part of the process. So is purging if it happens.
Relax into it. It's pretty incredible once you let go, and you'll be amazed at what comes out.
I personally think cannabis is highly abused by most people who don't have a true medical necessity for it - e.g. cancer, AIDS, MS, etc. Smoking it daily to prevent a migraine or for a bit of neck pain doesn't cut in IMHO.
Occasional use - like maybe once or twice a year - might be helpful in breaking through mental blockages. But the people I know who smoke it regularly, while far from stupid, seem to be stuck emotionally where they were when they started smoking. Plus, it's really bad for the lungs. Like much worse in the long run than tobacco, mainly due to how it's smoked - long deep inhales, held in for as long as possible.
As far as mixing it with other medicinal plants - well, it seems like you'd lose the power of the other plants or at least confuse the issue. -
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 11:37 AMthank you for your replies.
makes a LOT of sense.
I have much to work on. -
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 1:17 PMI have asked around in the Amazon, and though it grows quite well, it is a beautiful, pungent flower, and is eaten voraciously by any of dozens of big bugs that live there. So you won't find too much, and it is generally of poor quality and brought in from Lima or a greenhouse.
As for mixing with Ayahuasca, I've only done it on one of my experiences, and can't say it added anything.
Also, I would agree with Richard that most people who smoke cannabis abuse it. However, I would say that it is a very misunderstood plant.
Cannabis is not meant to smoke and then for you to sit. Most people use it for its pupil dilation and the 'high' effect, but these are accompanied generally by feeling like you're wearing a lead blanket and a general sense of lethargy, followed by dry mouth and eventually insatiable hunger. Certain strains, like cannabis indica (as opposed to sativa), exacerbate this effect.
Sure, its fun to smoke a bit and then play video games, watch a movie, or pass out, but that is using the plant like a drug. Many people who smoke do not know that weed is meant to be metabolized. There are cannabinoid receptors in every section of the body, regardless of whether a person has smoked in their lifetime or not. These receptors are maximized when the marijuana is metabolized, which I've found is accomplished by doing exactly the opposite of what most people do when they smoke: MOVE!
Stretching, dancing, practicing martial arts, hiking, swimming, working out, but particularly accompanying these activities with music completely changes the experience. The THC is then spread throughout the body, instead of being congested in the lungs and head. Also, as the smoke tends to dessicate the smoker (cotton-mouth), drinking something (especially an anti-oxidant or acidic drink) will eliminate that negative effect and aid the body in metabolizing the plant.
Try it the next time you smoke, instead of sitting there, get up, stretch, dance a little bit, manipulate an object (juggle), and then drink some lemonade or orange juice. You'll find it is much more of a head-clearing, energizing plant than you'd ever expected, and instead of passing out (As many do) when you smoke, you'll have energy for hours and hours. -
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 1:28 PMThanks nick.
I love to dance so much.
I've found that if I smoke after I've been dancing for a while,
I get nauseous, and it kind of ruins the experience.
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 1:56 PMmyself, i have cachexia related to hiv, so if i do not smoke ganja, i literally cannot eat for days on end. I like what nick has to say- get up, get moving, move your energy and body. -
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 2:03 PMYes. Yoga can be awesome with cannabis, Tai Chi utterly amazing. Back in my smoking days I used to get really high and go into the backyard and do Tai Chi for hours. I got to where I could change the direction of the wind according to what movement I was doing. A really powerful and sweet experience.
Cannabis, according to Alice, can be eaten as well. It lasts longer and doesn't cause the lung problems that smoking does. -
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 2:15 PMsativa is becoming a ally for me again... first time in many many years.... im pretty high strung i dont like to be slowed down... -
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 2:35 PMyeah sativa is great, i prefer it over indica, i dont smoke much these days, but i think eating it is where its at with this one.
speakgin of tai chi i am taking it up again this year, i am happy to say.
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Wed, February 20, 2008 - 5:25 PM"Nausea is part of the process. So is purging if it happens. "
quite true ... for me it is different from time to time.
there were times in my life when i severely abused marijuana... daily! ... and i agree with richard that it does tend to emotionally keep you in the place you were in when you began to abuse her medicine. ... when i realised i had been disrespectful to this entity... i set out to make amends with her... and work with her like you would work with any maestro .... i thanked her for all the healing and comfort she had provided me with... for all of the inspiration, musical and aesthetic she had helped me with... and i apologized for abusing her.... i expressed to her my desire to come into balance... and reciprocity with all ...she is a strong one ... yet soft and lovely t the same time ... and she will use you the same as she has been used ... it's easy to see why i was so drawn to her.... i think a huge amends needs to be made with this entity.... as we come back into balance with Pachamama... and all our relations.
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Wed, February 20, 2008 - 11:49 PMYes and she is probably the mostly abused of all plants. By abused I mean vulgarized, used without a real intent, without a sacred purpose. I've known people who changed their relationship to this plant and the effects changed drastically too. Such as:
-Instead of having the "munchies" they now feel the need to fast,
-Instead of stillness they feel the urge to stretch in yoga like movements aligning and correcting the body, breathing and feeling,
-Instead of mucous dryness they feel the opposite thus facilitating the process of cleaning the body (throat, nose and bowels), etc
-Instead of repetitive thinking they get deep insights into their own thought process helping them to see themselves from a different perspective and reflect on how to change
Definately a plant teacher. She deserves much greater respect and love than what man usually shows. Quoting Terence I would say, "She is very dear to my heart".
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Re: cannabis
Thu, February 7, 2008 - 11:05 PMWow yes.
In holland one can buy cannabis in special 'coffee-shops'.
The hash and weed you buy there is modified and grown in such perfect cirumstances that it is very, very strong.
Richard said:
"Occasional use - like maybe once or twice a year - might be helpful in breaking through mental blockages. But the people I know who smoke it regularly, while far from stupid, seem to be stuck emotionally where they were when they started smoking. Plus, it's really bad for the lungs. Like much worse in the long run than tobacco, mainly due to how it's smoked - long deep inhales, held in for as long as possible."
I see this with people around me as well. People around me who smoke every day don't evolve emotionally and mentally, because they are happy the way things are, it definately numbs the senses. I think it's fine for them, as long as it doesn't cause any problems. But I've had, and have, friends who smoke to escape everyday life and it's problems. It also numbs the mental pain, the spirit of the plant kind of takes you in her arms and comforts you, saying it will all be fine in the end. I've been at that point too when I was younger. Then when I started meditation I saw these structures I created for myself, .
These days I smoke hash once in two month maybe. In these cases I use it with friends, around a fire, talking and connecting because it makes bonds stronger in a group. I also sometimes smoke it alone when I have a question, It opens up a lot of doors of new perspectives, it gives room for free thought and creativity. I will never smoke it anymore just to get high, or to escape from hard issues.
Nick said:
"These receptors are maximized when the marijuana is metabolized, which I've found is accomplished by doing exactly the opposite of what most people do when they smoke: MOVE! "
That definately works to keep from being a sack of potatoes. I love to move around, playing like an animal.
I think that when one knows 'how' to use a substance, and 'why' one uses it, it will be a lot clearer to get to the essence of the plant.
Peace
Geert
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Fri, February 8, 2008 - 12:44 AM'use' is the operative word there. -
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Fri, February 8, 2008 - 10:32 AMI'm really glad to read this thread. I've been feeling weirded out by the attitudes of most of my American friends towards Shiva’s Sacred Herb. Most people, as has been stated, smoke and then play video games or eat copiously or pass out and don’t really use it to develop the body/mind—and then the poor plant gets the bad rap.
IMHO—the Amazon is not known for cannabis --so for proper use of this medicine one should look to cultures where this plant grows and where the people have developed a long (thousands of years old) understanding of it and relationship with it.
Mixing it senselessly with other plant medicines is obviously a bad idea, as it will negatively affect the medicinal alchemy. But there is a time, a place and a healing purpose for each of these plants that must be respected. -
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 1:29 AM"use" most definitely is the operative word...
the amazing thing about pot is that shes not one to be used... shes so much stronger then those that attempt to do so and will wreck the ass of those that try... -
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Wed, February 20, 2008 - 5:56 PMFriends,
Those interested in the history and medicine of Cannabis may find the book Marijuana Medicine by Christian Ratsch of interest. Lots of information in the text, focused on indigenous relationships with this plant. An informative read. Thought I'd mention it here for those interested.
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Sun, February 24, 2008 - 7:42 PMIn the words of a pothead "It's all good."
THC may very well destroy weak and sick cells in the body which would become antioxidants, or cancer-causing agents.
It cures many things, and in regards to spirit navigation, it can soften the blows. Especially on a heroic dose. Terrence McKenna had a goal of smoking three joints while getting through an intense mushroom or dmt session.
McKenna also died of a mushroom-shaped brain tumor.
Live, folks. I choose quality over quantity. -
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Sun, February 24, 2008 - 8:11 PM"Yes and she is probably the mostly abused of all plants. By abused I mean vulgarized, used without a real intent, without a sacred purpose."
i dont know about that... that could be said of wheat, corn, potato, not to mention fir, and cedar... -
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Sun, February 24, 2008 - 8:20 PMi could go on about other plants as well...
lets see...
hops...
rice...
dandelions...
grape...
olive...
flax...
palm...
to to list a few of the most commonly abused plants...
all of these plant people have a sacred purpose... and few work with these with intention. -
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 12:42 AMIf it wasn't for her ability to help me to eat food, i would not be here. She helps me take my medicine, and helps me to want to eat. She increases the amount of other healing medicines i can take.
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 1:26 AMSorry if I offended you by expressing myself like that.
I also apologize to the community for expressing myself wrongly.
Anyway, I'll probably just leave the tribe.
Goodbye
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 1:38 AMThere is NO offense at questions. You did not expess yourself wrongly, we are just set in our ways! Please stay, you are welcome here, and i am sorry you took it that way. peace, Travis -
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 1:40 AMjames stay man i am very sure noone is chasing you away.
as travis says you are welcome here
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Re: cannabis
Mon, February 25, 2008 - 1:41 AMDon't leave..
I see no offence anywhere...haha...
Just opinions flying around.
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 2:03 AMOk, thanks guys. If I'm welcome I will stay. Thanks again.
I guess I'm a bit traumatized from past experiences on another forum.
Wasn't because of Travis.
It was because I felt Little Lightning got annoyed because other plants are also abused, and maybe to a greater extent. Shortly after writing the initial post, I thought of fixing it but I didn't find an "edit post" button. Sorry I'm not very experienced with these online community tools. But anyway, I was going to say that Tobacco was the mostly abused plant, so it wouldn't have helped anyway. -
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 2:06 AMJames, you are welcome to join us at "The Land Speaks" if you feel so inclined. come read, if we resonate with ya, let me know. YOU ARE WELCOMED HERE.! -
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 10:42 AMIt's like she casts a spell on people.
I know SO MANY people who spend literally all their hard earned money
just so they can smoke ganja all day every day.
Travis, you are an exception.
I understand how ganja helps you eat
and I think that is beautiful.
But...these people I know are like under a spell or something.
They really believe they need it every day.
Their intentions seem to be "to make their life easier"
and I suppose that was mine, too, when I was a "pot head"
It's weird.
I love marijuana...
She taught me so much!!
But every single day??
I don't feel like it's right.
I don't know
I really don't know how I feel.
It's a tricky situation I find everybody in.
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 10:50 AMIt is hard to judge other people's inner relationship with vegetable consciousness.
We can't see another's heart.
Our path is our's alone.
We are all under a spell in different degrees and in different shades. -
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Mon, February 25, 2008 - 11:05 AMSo true, Brian.
I've read some studies that thc fought off tumors in mice.
That's about as deep as the study went, though.
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 9:37 AMI know SO MANY people who spend literally all their hard earned money just so they can buy video games and drive their car to work every day.... They don't have any money left to support their local economy!
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 9:41 AMits a good thing they smoke their video games then, huh? -
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 10:25 AMmy brother just got off of being addicted to world of war craft for a few years... it was scary how it had control over his mind like that...
he recently found it it was designed by a CIA agent... which is wyrd...
MK-ultra with video games perhaps? hmmmmmm -
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 12:22 PMits always been highly amusing to me, that people sit down in front of a tv to play games. oh well.
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