Fish sauce replacement

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Does anyone know of a good replacement for fish sauce? One of my favorite things to basil tofu but the recipe calls for fish sauce.
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  • Re: Fish sauce replacement

    Mon, June 25, 2007 - 12:40 PM
    www.fatfree.com/recipes/co...-substitute

    This sounds good but I think I would want that stinky nastiness of fermented fish.

    This is my own idea but how about using Chinese fermented tofu and mix it with soy sause... and keep it in fridge for few days before use.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickled_tofu
    • Re: Fish sauce replacement

      Mon, June 25, 2007 - 8:14 PM
      Sorry didn't mean to gross you out. It just that pickled tofu and fish sauce do have similarities..
      it is protein breaking down by fermentation... one is fish guts and another is soy protein.
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        Re: Fish sauce replacement

        Tue, June 26, 2007 - 12:33 PM
        No, you didn't gross me out. I'm well aware of what fish sauce is and if the stinky butt smell hasn't grossed me out your description surely won't. :-)

        Thanks for the info. I'll definitely try the "fat free" substitute idea. I didn't even know that pickled tofu existed. So you would use just a litte and some on the liquid? Otherwise, I'm not sure I'd like the texture for basil tofu.
        • Re: Fish sauce replacement

          Tue, June 26, 2007 - 12:54 PM
          first of all, I habitually skip the fish sauce in most recipes and they still turn out fine, if a bit "lighter" in flavor.

          in addition to saltiness, what fish sauce adds to a dish is a rounded "umami" taste sensation. a sort of meaty savoriness most strongly associated with animal protein. parmesan cheese, for example, is seriously "umami".

          I haven't tried it, but I've just had this wacky idea that you might be able to achieve an approximation of fish sauce by using a combination of very strong shiitake mushroom broth and soy sauce. (the flavorful mushrooms have a lot of that full-bodied "umami" taste sensation you get from fish, meat and dairy.)

          worth a shot????


          another thing I might try is a wee dab of umeboshi plum paste. umeboshi is very salty and astringent. it wouldn't be the same as fish sauce, but it might just give your dish the "lift" it needs.
  • Re: Fish sauce replacement

    Sat, July 7, 2007 - 5:19 AM
    i usually just skip the fish sauce altogether as well & the dishes come out just fine. it's mainly to just add flavor anyway.
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      Success!!!

      Tue, July 10, 2007 - 8:12 AM
      I made my basil tofu with the vegetarian oyster sauce last night. It was delicious!! Thanks, Manu!

      Stellar, what ratio of mayo to vinegar do you use for your tofishy sandwiches?
      • Re: Success!!!

        Tue, July 10, 2007 - 9:50 AM
        yayyyy! im glad. that stuff rocks. and is good for us veggies:) i never eat thai out except for this one buddhits place- which is completely veg. (and they are buddhist so onion or garlic either) and its amazing. but other places hide all kinds of sh*t in their sauces, and its often not safe for us.
      • Re: Success!!!

        Mon, July 16, 2007 - 3:06 PM
        "Stellar, what ratio of mayo to vinegar do you use for your tofishy sandwiches?"

        I usually eyeball it. A tablespoon of vinegar and 1/3c mayo. And water to thin it down to a saucy consistency.

        For extra fish flava, put nori flakes in your tartar sauce.

        I make them this week and then post the recipe.

  • Re: Fish sauce replacement

    Thu, December 11, 2008 - 1:24 AM
    HOME MADE VEGETARIAN FISH SAUCE: So, I've noticed that a lot of asian dishes call for fish sauce, and if you're a true vegetarian like me you always feel like that puts the recipe just out of reach. I've come up with my own vegetarian fish sauce and I think it's 99% close the real thing.

    I based the main part of it off the Wikipedia Vegetarian Fish Sauce recipe, but I felt the recipe there lacked a few things which put it into the realm of "tastes like the real thing" but it's 100% VEGETARIAN.

    HOW TO MAKE VEGGIE FISH SAUCE
    INGREDIENTS
    2 - cups shredded dried seaweed (Any brand works. Try Japanese grocery stores)
    4 - cups water
    3 - cloves garlic (smashed but not minced)
    1 & 1/2 - Tbsp whole black peppercorns
    1/2 - cup soy sauce (I used light soy sauce but regular would work)
    2 - tsp lime juice (concentrate OK)
    2 - tsp lemon juice (concentrate OK)
    2 - Tbs vinegar
    3 - tsp sugar
    1 - tsp ground ginger
    1 - tsp ground garlic
    1/4 - tsp chili powder

    If you have allergies to wheat, you can also use a wheat free tamari like San-J brand. But if you use tamari versus soy sauce, add about 1/4 cup more because it's lighter.

    You can find the dried seaweed at just about any asian market. Personally I prefer the type that shredded kinda small versus the large sheets of seaweed. I think that when it's shredded it makes for a richer sauce. Make sure the seaweed you buy doesn't contain MSG. A good brand is Wel-Pac Dried Shredded Wakame Seaweed (Fueru Wakame) 57g, but anyone will work.


    HOW TO PREPARE VEGETARIAN FISH SAUCE
    1. In a large bowl, add 2 cups dried seaweed + 4 cups water
    2. Bring to a boil, then reduce heat and simmer for 20 minutes
    3. Add garlic cloves + peppercorns + soy sauce + lime juice + lime juice
    + vinegar + sugar + ginger + garlic powder + ginger + chili powder
    4. Bring to a boil, turn heat down to medium and cook for 30 minutes
    5. You can adjust the salt level by adding water
    6. Allow to cool
    7. Strain into a container

    Straining it is the key. Once it's strained you can funnel it into a large water bottle, and label it "Veggie Fish Sauce" or as it's called in Vietnam "Nuoc Mam Chay" If you've ever tasted the real fish sauce (in your pre-veggie days) you can sample a tiny bit and see just how close to the real thing it really tastes. But caution...this stuff is stinky and strong! Just like the real fish sauce.

    Hope you like it.
    Ms Nadja Dee Witherbee
    (If you're concerned that I have a caucasion last name, it used to be Tanaka...so I know what good asian food tastes like!)
    Seattle WA
    benignlives@earthlink.net
    • Re: Fish sauce replacement

      Sat, March 21, 2009 - 1:57 PM
      Thanks for the thorough recipe - I gave it a try and just had one small problem. I used a shredded Wakame and when I added a cup of it to 2 cups water (just trying to make a half recipe), within a few minutes the seaweed had expanded so much that it seemed all the water was used up. I would say the seaweed expanded by about five times. I added more water immediately and removed at least half of the seaweed before bringing it to a boil for 20 minutes. So, what I am wondering is, is this normal for the seaweed to expand so much? If I had just left things alone, would the seaweed had broken down and somehow produced liquid? After all of the boiling, I ended up with a sauce that was quite briny and salty, and pretty tasty. I'll have to see how it works in the recipe. Anyways, worried that I misunderstood something and hated throwing out the "extra" seaweed, so thought I'd ask. Thanks.
      • Re: Fish sauce replacement

        Sun, May 17, 2009 - 11:45 PM
        Michelle, sorry you had a problem with the water being used up. Hmm, that didnt happen for me. I would say that adding some water was the right thing to do. Using only 2 cups of water (trying to half the mixture) was probably the problem...simply not enough water. In my recipe, when I added the shredded seaweed, I covered the pot right away, and it boiled down where the seaweed pretty much dissolved into the broth. This is why you have to strain it at the end. I doubt that there would really be any problem with adding more water except it would dillute the salt ratio. This wouldn't be a big deal.

        The other solution is to add some pineapple juice to the pot. This would help to add more juice to the sauce + gives it a more authentic flavor.

        In any case, if you had all the other ingredients, and added the extra water, it should turn out great for you. I hope it did. Remember it's just a recipe and you should change it to fit your taste and needs.

        Yours,
        Nadja Dee
    • Re: Fish sauce replacement

      Sun, May 17, 2009 - 11:49 PM
      ADDED NOTE TO THE RECIPE:

      Try not to cut down the amount of water for this recipe. If you want to make a smaller amount of sauce, reduce the amount of seaweed by more than half. I'm told that only 2 cups of water will be absorbed by 1 cup of seaweed.

      In addition, add a half cup of pineapple sauce to the broth after boiling. This brings out a traditional fish sauce flavor that tastes authentically vietnamese/thai.

      Nadja Dee
  • Re: Fish sauce replacement

    Tue, March 31, 2009 - 10:15 PM
    I'd give a try to this.

    It's known as okonomyaki sauce and goes well on the traditional Japanese dish.


    Ingredients

    * 1/4 cup Ketchup
    * 1 1/2 tablespoon Worcestershire sauce
    * 1/4 teaspoon Dijon mustard
    * 2 tablespoon Sake
    * 1 teaspoon Soy sauce
    * 3 tablespoons Brown sugar
    * 1 teaspoon Mirin
    * 1/8 teaspoon Ginger ground, in a jar
    * 1 teaspoon Honey


    Instructions
    Combine all sauce ingredients in a small saucepan and simmer for about a minute, stirring constantly.
    If it's too tangy, add more honey/sugar.
    If it's too sweet, add a splash more soy sauce.

    Remove from the heat and cool to room temperature.

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