So who feels scared to bare themselves (mentally, emotionally, physically, whatever is your style) to other people? This is one of the most striking features to me about my Venus/Pluto conjunction, is that I have to hide things from people. I know EXACTLY what I don't want others to find out about me, and I keep it hidden. And I dread the day when someone gets close enough that I have to share it.
It might be because the Conj. is in Scorpio, but who else gets this?
For me, its intimacy and love. When I fall in love with someone, I'm so afraid of letting the other person know, that most of the time, they DON'T know until I tell them. Its hard to express myself emotionally to them about my feelings. And here's where the irrationality comes in - I ask myself "What do I have to lose?" and the answer is "nothing, but I just can't do it." I feel like somehow they'll use the information against me, or humiliate me, if I let them see my inner feelings. Or perhaps they'll be weirded out at my emotion.
Strange, no?
Venus/Pluto conjunction in Scorpio, 7th house
It might be because the Conj. is in Scorpio, but who else gets this?
For me, its intimacy and love. When I fall in love with someone, I'm so afraid of letting the other person know, that most of the time, they DON'T know until I tell them. Its hard to express myself emotionally to them about my feelings. And here's where the irrationality comes in - I ask myself "What do I have to lose?" and the answer is "nothing, but I just can't do it." I feel like somehow they'll use the information against me, or humiliate me, if I let them see my inner feelings. Or perhaps they'll be weirded out at my emotion.
Strange, no?
Venus/Pluto conjunction in Scorpio, 7th house
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Re: vulnerability and irrational fear
Wed, January 23, 2008 - 6:09 AMI think that's pretty typical of the Scorpio influence. Scorpio tends to hide things. :o)
My Venus is opposite my Pluto. I'm cautious in any relationship in regards to getting serious with a person; however I am an open book, quite the opposite of how you feel. My Sagittarius moon probably plays a big role in that. :o)
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Re: vulnerability and irrational fear
Mon, February 4, 2008 - 6:00 AMhey Jeremy, you said it well once again.
>I have to hide things from people
i agree. sometimes, when there is nothing to hide, i consciously build a private life and a private self- so naturally. sometimes remaining hidden to me is as simple as avoiding questions like "what are you up to?" or "what have you done today". i dont want to tell anybody that so i either simplify it or keep it vague. most often, if not all of the time, what i have done was pretty mundane during the day and not very thrilling. still there's something to be said for wanting to keep my life private.
what i hate is when people take what you have told them and try to pin you down. i feel most comfortable when people see me as a mystery. but some people can't stand that and they crave on "figuring you out". my long time Aquarius friend used to always complain i was a mystery and wasn't sharing anything with him and he repeatedly and repeatedly tried to pin me down with statements like "i know you" or "i knew you would say" that when i did something. that bothered me.
>When I fall in love with someone, I'm so afraid of letting the other person know
i think fear of telling someone relates to rejection - fear of rejection. i think us Scorpios (or Venus Pluto people-though I'm less sure about generalizing here since I have my Venus in Scorpio conjunct Pluto) understand that telling someone that we love them means we are giving them power. With power, they have the upper hand. Despite our alluring mystery and privacy and deep sense of strength, we love _them_ and this is very flattering.. this makes room for manipulation of sorts - they can play with us and our feelings - and Scorpio can't stand being at the butt end of that. Scorpio's feeling are too strong to be toyed with lightly. that really gets to us.
that's probably why "feel like somehow they'll use the information against me, or humiliate me"
i think you need to strike a better balance - like tell them you like them and let them respond. if they start to act negatively and its hurting you - tell them, "this isnt what i expected" and thereby let them know where their boundaries should lie if theyre actually interested in you.
open up a little and expose a bit of the feelings but let the other person know that feelings can change and will change if they aren't gentle and respectful toward them. the problem with Scorpios (Venus Pluto probably too) is that their feelings _don't_ change lightly... when they fall in love, that's pretty much it and getting over an individual takes lots of time... still, don't let the other person know that.
let them know how you feel - and if they start to be manipulative and hurtful toward you, go back to hiding your feelings until you finally get over them and have no resentments (very important - get rid of behavior that wants revenge - it will only backlash in a negative way)... after all, hiding is not always a "bad" thing, it is just a learned trait that helps us handle depth when we need to.. we just shouldnt be playing it safe it all the time. -
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Re: vulnerability and irrational fear
Sat, February 9, 2008 - 2:36 PMCool words, jill.
"what i hate is when people take what you have told them and try to pin you down. i feel most comfortable when people see me as a mystery."
I definitely feel this. I see myself as a very changeable person, and when someone tries to box me in with their assumptions, I get very frustrated. After leaving my longstanding friendship group to start elsewhere anew, and then returning, I saw how much my life and personality was governed by the ideas of other people, esp. the ideas they had about me. Thats part of the reason I don't like sharing my feelings with anyone else (even people who aren't who i'm interested in), because its just one more thing that they know about me. Ha!
"i think us Scorpios (or Venus Pluto people-though I'm less sure about generalizing here since I have my Venus in Scorpio conjunct Pluto) understand that telling someone that we love them means we are giving them power."
Very true. While the ball is still in our court, I feel, we still have the possibility of getting away unscathed by the situation (more or less). As soon as we bring the other into the equation, its so much more out of our control.
And its funny, I don't actually think that I would be manipulated or humiliated in any way by a love interest. But that's how I feel, although I rationally know that that wouldn't happen. Man, these things go soooo deep.
At the moment (you probably know this from seeing my 'Help - Pluto' thread in Astrology tribe) I'm trying to dismantle this whole complex of crush-obsession-longing-pain that I've got going on. It'll take a while, but I think I'll get there. :D I think that with such intense emotions, there's a certain amount of responsibility to myself and others to deal with them properly. I've nearly destroyed many a good friendship because of these intense feelings, not to mention caused myself considerable amounts of anguish, for pretty much nothing. So I think its about time to redesign the whole love issue in my life. -
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Re: vulnerability and irrational fear
Sun, February 10, 2008 - 3:37 AM>I'm trying to dismantle this whole complex of crush-obsession-longing-pain that I've got going on. It'll take a while, but I think I'll get there
i've been there. i was obsessed with a certain scorpio moon guy who lived near me for a while - it took me about 2 years to pass that through my system. we slept with each other off and on to make it worse. each time i'd promise myself that i wouldnt get emotionally connected, but i did anyway. in a certain sense he was so unattainable, because hes a bit shy and reserved so at some absurd subconscious level i probably thought he was one of the only people that could understand me. i was just waiting for him to see what kind of treasure he had in front of him. in the meantime, i gave no attention to many awesome people i met during that time period that would have been much better for me.
the obsession was non stop and it cut very deep. its was completely based on a unreal, unjustified fascination of him... not of what he was, but what i imagined he could be, or we could be, if together. and yes, the sex was great so that didnt hurt.
it took me that long time to finally come to a place where i realized i didnt need his mind games anymore - stop making me chase you - if you love me, you can be straightforward about it. i dont know what he felt at the end of the day, because our communication was so poor and everything i loved was made up in my mind.
i feel really good about it now. sometimes i see him again, and i feel like he might think he still has that power over me to some extent. i just laugh, because i know it isnt true.
you get there, but it takes a while.
for me, the first step was being honest to myself: is this really the person for me, or am i projecting the perfect image onto this person? often shy or "mystery" people are the easiest to project onto.. you wonder... are they hiding all the things that i love? they must be... but we know as scorpio people, that scorpios usually just hide a lot of mundane stuff. sure emotional depth lies in the heart... but i dont feel like any individual is lacking of emotional depth.. its merely a matter of how its expressed in the person.
so dont dismay- obsessions do pass, they arent permanent. more than one time in my life i was convinced i would never stop thinking about somebody, but i did so hey!
another thing - i've noticed that its very scorpio-like to focus in on one person and zero in one them for all the traits and energy you desire. i think Scorpios need to learn from Aquarians (and visa versa) that ALL human beings have traits of depth, incredible personality, insightful observation, etc etc, and rather than zeroing on one person... we need to learn to broaden the range of our attention and learn to love and appreciate and value many people, at once.
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Re: vulnerability and irrational fear
Sun, February 10, 2008 - 11:41 AMwow jill that post hit very close to home..............I have venus square pluto.........spo this is what is going on with me right now.............minus the sex part..........but a longing I feel for a certain person.......but it's just a longing part.......that is killing me........ -
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Re: vulnerability and irrational fear
Yesterday, 10:34 AMThis post reminds me of a recent dream of mine: I am sitting on my heels on my bed with nothing on but a long strand of pearls. Feeling vulnerable.
I have Venus sextile Pluto and Venus Scorpio along with Pluto being the most aspected in my chart.
So, to me it's not strange.
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