I will post a video on shoulder hooper and vertical shoulder hooping!!! also I can post a video of how to move the hoop from the knee's if needed! =)

:) The Hoopnotica DVD has a great visualization to use while practicing without the hoop in shoulder/chest hooping. They say to imagine you are inside a barrel. You have paint-brushes attached in a circle all the way around your chest or chest/arms. Paint the inside of the barrel while also using the 4-point-method as a way to keep you even moving all the way around inside the circle. Then, after you feel you have painted that barrel really well - get inside the hoop and try again! :)

I must have a whole lotta painted barrels by now and am still trying to get the hang of it! I know the Hoopnotica DVD's say you should really have chest-hooping down pat before you will be able to do shoulder hooping well - although I am sure this is different for everybody! :)

Four point method is just one of many different ways to learn to shoulder hoop. Its just the only one I made a video for, because I thought it was a good way to explain the motion that you generally end up doing. But here are some other methods:

I learned by raising it up from my waist to my neck using the ladder method (arms in), and trying to keep it on my shoulders as long as possible before it popped onto my neck. I also spent a lot of time neck-shoulder hooping, where you are leaning so the hoop hits your neck on the right side, and your shoulder on the left (or vice versa). That way you only have to worry about one shoulder's movement at a time.

I have also seen students learn in a "concave-convex" method where it is like they are passing the hoop from one shoulder to the other without it really touching their chest or back much. The motion is sort of like this: With your arms straight down, clap your hands in front of your groin, then behind your butt. Repeat. If this is the method you learn, it is harder to smooth out once you get it, though.

Good luck!