"Bury me standing"

topic posted Sun, January 6, 2008 - 7:59 AM by  Astrid
I am just reading the book "Bury me standing- the gypsies and their journey" by Isabel Fonseca. Those of you who have read it, what do you think of it? Does it describe the Roma in an appropriate way? Are there other (better?) books you would recommend (or not recommend)?
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Astrid
Japan
  • Re: "Bury me standing"

    Sun, January 6, 2008 - 1:23 PM
    Hi there! I am not sure that this a work to describe Roma or a situation because it is a journalistic work, not an academic or biographical one. Being that this work is journalistic, and I must say an interesting read, it has drawn attention to many issues. However, Isabel Fonseca does do a lot of guessing and is quite centered on her own Anglican culture, language and identity. As an example, she states somewhere in the book that Romani has no word for smoke because we may say "me pav", I drink rather than I smoke. This of course is entrirely wrong because smoke is Thuv in Romani but one cannot smoke, it is not a verb in Romani. The concept of I drink rather than I smoke is typical in Turkish and Indian languages because one smokes from a water/tea pipe. This is where the book is tricky when she tries to examine or explain things she has no expertise in. Journalist do not have to face the same critique as do academics and can say things without actually having any support for that which they see. So I reccomend the bok as a good read and an eye opener but limit her analysis to her opinion and not much esle.
  • I read the book when it was published. It happened to be at the same time when I was slowly coming out from hiding
    my Romani Identity. I was very Eager to learn about my Culture, Traditions etc.
    Since then I read the book again and again but with a different reasons.
    As for the first time every time I have a the same feeling it is just a Journalistic writing with a collection of resources from other
    already published books written by none Roma.
    In some part of the book I even feel violated and discriminated as a Romani for the way she approach some of the Roma Community.
    As Gregory said dos NOT have a Academic or Real Cultural/Historical values at least not to me.
    Has some informatics values which could miss lead and generalized the Romani way of life.
    How ever it could be interesting and emotional in some parts.

    I recommend the book of Professor Ian Hancock ; "We are the Romani people"-Ame sam e Rromane dzene"
  • Eva
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    Re: "Bury me standing"

    Sun, January 27, 2008 - 11:28 PM
    I believe that it gives some understanding of the hardships that people face although I was left feeling that she somehow felt that people wished to live in these conditions. I do not recall what gave me that impression although I know that i have had strange reactions from people who see me as content in my position in life and do not understand that it is not money that is so important to me, but this does not mean that I would want to for my children to have to swim in a run off from a nuclear reactor or live with dirt floors and suffer unsanitary conditions.

    perhaps I was projecting something onto the work that was not there - do not really know. I applaud her attempt and think that there is value in it - because we can see through her eyes and that has a value in itself.
    • Re: "Bury me standing"

      Mon, January 28, 2008 - 12:54 AM
      I still have not finished that book. I feel, she deserves more credit than some people here are ready give her, she seems to have done a lot of research on the subject and has a long bibliography at the end of the book. What put me off sometimes was the way she described their living conditions in Albania, it seemed to me sometimes like she was trying to make them look ridiculous which is not the way it should be done and I found it upsetting. Maybe a real ethnologist would have a different, more objective approach than a journalist.
      I have started on the Hancock book, and even though he is a Roma and may know better than Fonseca, I sadly have to say, I do not enjoy that book. It is not well written, the language is very poor, the chapters seem to short , thin and not informative enough, and at the end of each chapter there are some "test questions" as though this is some kind of high school textbook and he is checking how much the kids understood and is asking them to summarise it. Actually, the whole book has the quality of high school composition and I am not happy with that. Authors should be qualified to write on a subject but they should also be good writers in order to catch and keep the reader's interest. Thanks for the recommendation, but sorry to have to tell you, I am disappointed.
      Does anyone know any better books on the subject?
      • Re: "Bury me standing"

        Tue, January 29, 2008 - 8:20 AM
        Hi everybody;
        I have a few books in my collections;
        Bury me Standing- Fonseca
        A History of the GYPsies- of Eastern Europe and Russia- dAVID M. Crowe
        Old copies of NATIONAL Geogpraphics magazines- 1972- 1984-2001 issues
        My most precious copy of National Geographic- 1970 blue hardcover
        GYPSIES WANDERERS of the World- histories, photos and personal anecdotes.
        I am always looking for books about ROMa people (antique and some used book stores are great places .

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