Tribe.net. Local Connections Ilyena http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/2bd22e95-5a89-44be-ac2b-eb64ea75a0e7 2008-07-10T10:02:02Z 2008-05-29T12:19:06Z

<div>I've taken a few dance workshops with Artemis Mourat and she's mentioned on several occasions that for some Rroma it is unclean to touch one's skirt. She said in some parts of Turkey, Romania, Russia, and Spain, Romani dancers will sometimes touch their skirts for a certain gesture or flare, but mentioned that there was one tribe she encountered (in Kosovo, I believe, although I may be remembering wrong) where it was considered mahrime to touch the skirt. I'm assuming this has more to do with the tribe than the country. Can someone tell me, for which Rromani groups does this taboo exist? <br/> <br/>Thank you very much. <br/> <br/>~Ilyena~</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 8 replies </div>

Ilyena 2008-05-29T12:19:06Z Sharka http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/0eb621c1-1e29-49e3-b26c-7bb1c3f78159 2008-07-08T15:38:03Z 2007-12-30T01:35:35Z

<div>thanks!</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 57 replies </div>

Sharka 2007-12-30T01:35:35Z julia_voiceofroma http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/66657f2d-1c69-4732-a584-631dc0d358ef 2008-06-29T16:58:09Z 2008-06-09T15:29:34Z

<div>SONGS OF SABAN THAT WILL LIVE FOR EVER: what is your favorite out of over 700 songs that Saban Bajramovic wrote, composed <br/>here is one of my favorite: <br/> <br/>Sona aveja <br/> <br/>I bavlal purdela chaje, <br/>O brshnd perela. <br/>Me tut adzukarava chaje, <br/>Mande te ave. <br/> <br/>Aaa tuke ka merav x2 <br/>Aaa sona aveja <br/> <br/>Sa bandjova pe ulica, <br/>Tut me dzakerava, <br/>A tu na aveja chaje, <br/>Tuke ka merav. <br/> <br/>Dikava tut sar aveja, <br/>Pe mande asaja, <br/>Me prastava anglal tute, <br/>Te chumide man. <br/> <br/>Aaa tuke ka merav x2 <br/>Aaa sona aveja <br/></div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 3 replies </div>

julia_voiceofroma 2008-06-09T15:29:34Z Simona JOVIC http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/54633594-c305-411c-880c-e77e7d6b63aa 2008-06-25T13:18:24Z 2008-06-25T13:18:24Z

<div>I inform you that another summer intensif rroma dance workshop will take place in Belgrade, Serbia in august 2008: <br/> <br/> <br/>***** ANNUAL SERBIAN BALKANIAN RROMA DANCE WORKSHOP ***** <br/> <br/>Belgrade, August 1st to 7th, 2008 <br/> <br/>As each year, Simona Jovic will welcome you in her country for a 20 hours rroma and balkanian dance workshop. The workshop will be teached by Simona Jovic, Dobrosav Grocic and live musicians. Join us to learn more about how to dance on the rromani and traditionnal music from Serbia, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Albania, Montenegro and Bosnia. The workshop will be teached in english, french and serbian. <br/> <br/> <br/>* Dance programme : <br/> <br/>Cocek rroma dance from Southern Balkans <br/>The biggest part of this 20 hours serbian workshop will be dedicated to this gracefull and joyfull dance, danced in the rromani communities in Macedonia, Albania, Bulgaria and south of Serbia. Danced by women and men, it remains very oriental with the big turkish influences thanks to the 5 centuries ottoman occupation of that area. <br/> <br/>Vranjanska svita (with the tamburine) <br/>Vranjanska svita is a dance and song from Vranje in south of Serbia. It is composed of three parts : first women dance part on the beautifful song "Sano duso" (7/8 rhythme). Second, the men dance called "Tesko oro". And the third part is the women cocek rromani dance danced with the tambourine on the 9/8 very fast rhythme. It is the most oriental of all traditionnal serbian dances and one the most beautifull. <br/> <br/>Rromani Oros <br/>Cercle or line dances from south of the Balkans. According to the rhythme, if it's regular or irregular, if it's 7/8 or 9/8, if it's slow or fast, the step of the oro will change. In this workshop will be teached only those danced by the Rroma in their mariages and festivities. <br/> <br/>Serbian kolo <br/>Kolo is the synonym for oro, also a cercle or line dance, but this appelation is used in Central Serbia and it is mostly assimilated to the "two bite rhytme kolos" and not the "oriental" ones. Lively and friendly, kolo is the dance of sharing between Gadje and Rroma that will give you the liberty to have fun at any balkanian festivity. <br/> <br/> <br/>* Prices : <br/> <br/>* The price of 320 euros including : <br/> <br/>- Rroma dance workshop with Simona Jovic and the rromani musicians <br/>- Balkanian dance workshop with Dobrosav Grocic accompanied by an accordionist <br/>(20 hours dance workshop) <br/> <br/> <br/>* The price of 650 euros including : <br/> <br/>- Transferts airport/hotel/airport <br/>- Accomodation in a hotel** <br/>(city center facing the dance school, double rooms) <br/>- Serbian breakfast for the 6 days <br/>- Rroma dances workshop with Simona Jovic accompanied by rromani musicians (in the second part) <br/>- Folkloric dances workshops with Dobrosav Grocic accompanied by an accordinist <br/> <br/> <br/>* The price of 550 euros including : <br/> <br/>- Transfert airport/hostel/airport <br/>- Accomodation in a hostel <br/>(city center, 5 min from the dance school, in the 4 or 6 persons rooms) <br/>- Rroma dances workshop with Simona Jovic accompanied by rromani musicians (in the second part) <br/>- Folkloric dance workshop with Dobrosav Grocic accompanied by an accordionist <br/> <br/> <br/>Bookings : <br/> <br/>If you wish to join us for this annual serbian workshop, the booking is to made with Simona Jovic. Please, confirm first your booking by email at contact@simonajovic.com The payment should be made by bank transfert, western union or cash in two parts : first 50% while booking and the other part not later then 3 weeks before the departure. <br/> <br/> <br/>Important : <br/> <br/>The dates of 1st and 7th of august are the arrival and departure days. The dance workshop will take place between 2nd and 6th of august. You are requested to participate to the whole workshop, 2 hours in the morning, 3 hours in the afternoon. The rest of the time, you are free to discover the city, the museums, the restaurants, the life and the festivities of Belgrade. If you need an advice, where to listen and dance, where to eat a traditionnal meal, where discover the nice costumes or how to reach Guca (for the last three days of the brass bad festival), Simona will be happy to help you. <br/> <br/> <br/>Simona Jovic <br/>www.simonajovic.com</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 0 replies </div>

Simona JOVIC 2008-06-25T13:18:24Z Simona JOVIC http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/c5030596-5370-4bb1-8b03-e3434347d853 2008-06-11T16:16:17Z 2008-06-09T07:18:58Z

<div>A very sad news for all rromani community and my whole country. "The kind of the Rroma", Saban Bajramovic, died yesterday afternoon in the hospital of Nis in south of Serbia. May god save his soul and his music continue to fill our hearts. <br/> <br/>Simona Jovic</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 3 replies </div>

Simona JOVIC 2008-06-09T07:18:58Z Simona JOVIC http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/9ff0e031-7e34-4054-aa2b-ca909322efdd 2008-06-02T11:57:28Z 2008-05-13T10:30:29Z

<div>INTENSIF SUMMER RROMA DANCES WORKSHOP <br/>Paris, July 21st to 26th, 2008 <br/>With Simona Jovic <br/>www.simonajovic.com <br/> <br/>Join us for this unique opportunity to understand the evolution of the rromani dances from India to Europe, during the "Roma dances of the world" one week workshop in the most reputaded dance school in Paris: <br/> <br/>Programme : <br/> <br/>* July 21st : Rroma dance from North-Western India <br/>Kalbeliya/sapera dance, from 2pm to 5pm, all levels <br/>Bring a long skirt, a long head scarf and the ankle bells <br/> <br/>* July 22nd :Rroma dance from Afghanistan <br/>Afgani nomad dance, from 2pm to 5 pm, all level <br/>Bring a long skirt and a long head scarf <br/> <br/>* July 23rd : Rroma dance from Upper Egypt <br/>Ghawazee dance, from 2pm to 5pm, all level <br/>Bring the wide pants or a skirt and the finger cymbals <br/> <br/>* July 24th : Rroma dance from Turkey <br/>Karsilama dance, from 2pm to 5pm, all level <br/>Bring the wide pants and the finger cymbals <br/> <br/>* July 25th : Rroma dance from Southern Balkans <br/>Cocek and ora dances, from 2pm to 5pm, all level <br/>Bring the wide pants and a small hand scarf <br/> <br/>* July 26th : Rroma dances from Central/Eastern Europe <br/>Cingerica,manela, russian, from 11:30am to 2:30pm <br/>Bring a wide skirt and a schwall <br/> <br/>Adress : <br/>Centre de danse du Marais <br/>41 rue du Temple, 75004 Paris <br/> <br/>Price : 270 euros <br/> <br/>Bookings : Payment of 50% at the following bank account : <br/>Name : Simona Jovic <br/>Bank name and adress: <br/>BNP Paribas, 9 rue de la Gare <br/>77360 Vaires sur Marne <br/>FRANCE <br/>International bank account number : <br/>FR76 3000 4016 4000 0100 2432 139 <br/> <br/>Please confirm, first, your participation by email on contact@simonajovic.com <br/> <br/>Important : For those who cannot follow this one week workshop in july, two individual workshop will take place on May 25th (turkish and balkanian rroma dance) and on June 15th (kalbeliya rajasthani nomad dance). For more information, check Simona Jovic's website : www.simonajovic.com</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 1 reply </div>

Simona JOVIC 2008-05-13T10:30:29Z Paintdragon http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/a51246eb-ab3a-4aff-9760-1cb97bce34a3 2008-06-02T08:55:41Z 2008-06-02T08:55:41Z

<div>http://paintdragon.smugmug.com/gallery/5076996_K3zyv#305718735_5RZaB</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 0 replies </div>

Paintdragon 2008-06-02T08:55:41Z Tania http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/3e1b336d-f697-474c-b768-e7159e2817a2 2008-05-29T11:22:41Z 2008-05-29T11:22:41Z

<div>for those of you in Japan or close enough, Ahmet Ogren will be teaching in osaka later this year (November, though details are still pending). For more info: www.tanialuiz.com</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 0 replies </div>

Tania 2008-05-29T11:22:41Z Astrid_Seftali http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/0d38670f-7cdf-4d17-8b10-5ea6a3a74076 2008-05-12T19:01:43Z 2008-05-12T09:21:00Z

<div>I just uploaded this clip from a video I took in Sevilla 5 years ago. El Duende, they've got it!</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 2 replies </div>

Astrid_Seftali 2008-05-12T09:21:00Z romdeussen http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/0a58b1ff-e12c-4fd3-be16-f0955efe635d 2008-05-10T19:50:19Z 2008-04-06T13:40:37Z

<div>Please flag this as offense on YouTube! <br/> <br/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6W8bxHmZko</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 10 replies </div>

romdeussen 2008-04-06T13:40:37Z Kostana http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/3d365874-bff9-4c85-baed-fdc071883c70 2008-04-17T19:28:45Z 2008-04-17T19:28:45Z

<div>WMFC's 2nd annual International Herdeljezi Festival at the beautiful National Cathedral School in Washington, DC! <br/>A celebration of traditional &amp; modern Rromani dance &amp; music from around the globe featuring workshops and live performances with authentic Rromani teachers! <br/>Classes in Rromani Dances of: Spain, India, Turkey, Greece, Macedonia, Bulgaria, &amp; Hungary <br/>Classes in Rromani Music Including: Beginning &amp; Advanced Darabuka technique, Frame Drum, Rromani <br/>percussive technique, Rromani singing, &amp; MORE! <br/>Artists: Reyhan Tuzsuz, Amy Luna Manderino of Shuvani, Sani Rafati of Voice of Roma, Steve &amp; Susie Kotansky, <br/>Seido Salifoski, N. Scott Robinson, Eva Salina Primack, Ismail Lumanovski, Kujtim Ismailov &amp; Sidqi! <br/>Evening Dance Party (7:30pm – 12am): Featuring Grup Nazar, Romski Boji and special performances by Reyhan <br/>and Amy Luna! <br/>Henna Artists and Rromani Bazaar available all day! Entrance to Bazaar is free! Free children's activities in the afternoon including storytelling by Nina and Daveed's amazing Rhythm Circus! <br/> <br/>Individual Classes: $35/each <br/>Evening Party Tickets: $30/Adult, $25/Students &amp; Seniors, $15/Under 16. under 6 are free! <br/>Full Day Pass (includes your choice of all classes and concert): Only $99 before May 1 or $110 after May 1! <br/> <br/>CONTACT: www.wmfolklifecenter.org ∗ kostana@wmfolklifecenter.org ∗ (571) 332-4865 <br/></div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 0 replies </div>

Kostana 2008-04-17T19:28:45Z julia_voiceofroma http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/fb66475b-57ee-478b-a75b-86618838e134 2008-04-09T14:04:08Z 2008-04-08T13:30:32Z

<div>BAHTALO 8-TO APRILO SA AMARE ROMENGE KO SASTO SUMNAL <br/> <br/>VOICE OF ROMA WISH YOU A HAPPY AND PEACEFUL ROMA DAY! <br/>WE CELEBRATED ROMA DAY ON FRIDAY IT WAS GOOD TO SEE SOME OF YOU THERE. <br/>HERE ARE SOME OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITIES ANNOUNCEMENT FOR ROMA DAY. <br/>OPRE ROMA, <br/>JULIA <br/>********************************************************************************************************************* <br/>The Roma National Congress <br/>Federation of the Romani Civil and Human Rights Movement <br/> <br/>Press release, 8 April 2008 - On the occasion of 8th of April, Roma National Congress would like to join to all Roma worldwide in celebrating the International Roma Day, and to encourage the Romani communities to continue to strive for effective inclusion asking for full Roma participation in all processes in the societies. <br/> <br/>Roma are faced with discrimination, segregation, hate speech, substandard living conditions, extreme poverty, illiteracy, high level of unemployment, low level of social and health protection, in SEE countries large number are without personal civil documents. There are numerous international reports from the Council of Europe, UN treaty bodies, and OSCE which have highlighted the appalling conditions of the Roma and the failure of the of the Governments to make substantive improvements in Roma living conditions. <br/> <br/>The main challenge for the European institutions should be to improve the lives of millions of Roma in EU, to make influence in the process of solving the situation of Roma refugees and IDP’s. RNC is urging to stop forced expulsion of Roma from Europe. We are further disappointed that although we have international documents concerning Roma in Europe brought by the highest EU institutions, in reality Roma are still on the margins without concrete visible improvement. <br/> <br/>Equally there needs to be a European solution to what is a European issue regarding Roma non –territorial minority across Europe, Roma as the largest European minority are European issue. <br/> <br/>Roma National Congress (RNC), as Federation of the Romani civil and human rights movement, organization aimed at combating anti-Romani racisms and human rights abuse of Roma. RNC is international organisation with the aim of representing and stimulating the active participation and integration of Romani people on the principles of the modern multiethnic European society. <br/> <br/>We call upon national and international authorities to improve rights and lives of Roma in Central and Eastern Europe. RNC invites all European citizens in the 2008 Intercultural Dialogue Year fully to respect Roma entity, their cultural values and contribution. Please follow up the message for Roma unity, as an artistic moment. <br/> <br/>http://www.nationalromacentrum.org/en/strasbour-music/ <br/> <br/>Yours sincerely, <br/> <br/>Devlesa <br/>Asmet Elezovski <br/>Spokesman of Roma National Congress (RNC) <br/>asmetelezovski@yahoo.com</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 1 reply </div>

julia_voiceofroma 2008-04-08T13:30:32Z tathargrovealchemy http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/b897bced-2fbe-495a-bd35-41fa8d81d663 2008-03-24T22:37:50Z 2008-03-24T22:37:50Z

<div>The Underscore Orkestra is going on tour in late July-early August and we're looking for local bands to share shows with. We'll be headed south from portland and going thru CA. If anybody knows of a band of the Balkan, Eastern European, Gypsy Jazz, Swing, Accoustic, Fok variety.....well anything really, let me know. ________willo</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 0 replies </div>

tathargrovealchemy 2008-03-24T22:37:50Z julia_voiceofroma http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/f34c3fae-b45e-4a16-bb9c-1df77ccf2902 2008-03-21T12:54:46Z 2008-03-21T03:02:10Z

<div>April 4, 7:30PM - International Roma Day Celebration - San Francisco <br/>Croatian American Cultural Center - 60 Onondaga, SF - Live music and dancing <br/>with: Rumen Sali Shopov, Chris Bajmakovich, Ismail Lumanovski,Edessa + <br/>Presentation and discussion "Kosovo now" , dance workshop with Sani Rifati <br/> <br/> <br/>April 6 - International Roma Day Celebration - Los Angeles - VOR benefit event <br/>Afternoon dance and music classes with a folk dance concert going on into <br/>the evening will hopefully be hosted at The Pacific Arts Center &amp; Dance <br/>Studios at 10469 Santa Monica Blvd. <br/> <br/>for more information visit Voice of Roma website: www.voiceofroma.com</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 2 replies </div>

julia_voiceofroma 2008-03-21T03:02:10Z Astrid_Seftali http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/e2ce07d4-ec57-4afa-9e04-3d6e76c54347 2008-03-20T10:37:48Z 2008-03-20T10:37:48Z

<div>http://bdvideoclips.tribe.net/thread/78629582-0376-4ce3-b41b-65f0c01d9886 <br/> <br/>I know, this too ridiculous to post it here, but my question is: Is this true Romani dance as Eugenia claims in the end, saying, you can't usually see what is going on with the hips because they are usually covered by a skirt ?</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 0 replies </div>

Astrid_Seftali 2008-03-20T10:37:48Z Ilyena http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/17371a0d-18d2-4896-a5f2-fc8f9052fa91 2008-03-08T19:37:48Z 2008-03-08T19:37:48Z

<div>Hey there! <br/> <br/>I've been trying to get my hands a on a copy of the lyrics for Vlatko Stefanovski's "Gipsy Song." I can find the Macedonian lyrics (which I can't read), but I'd really like the lyrics to the version of the song that's sung in rromanes. Also, if anyone knows who does the lyrics on that track, I'd love to know. His voice is delicious!</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 0 replies </div>

Ilyena 2008-03-08T19:37:48Z Simona JOVIC http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/071a1a90-606b-4c86-afa3-b242297d96d9 2008-02-28T16:28:08Z 2008-02-27T08:48:56Z

<div>Photo album of my rroma dances performance at the International Indian Diaspora Festival in New Delhi, India on January 11, 2008. Photos by Janardhan Pathania. <br/> <br/>http://romsktnet.ning.com/index.php/photo/photo/slideshow?albumId=1562732%3AAlbum%3A41201 <br/> <br/>Simona</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 2 replies </div>

Simona JOVIC 2008-02-27T08:48:56Z girl mark http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/b8a41870-f869-4dc9-961e-3827d20aa837 2008-02-23T18:45:20Z 2008-02-23T02:06:19Z

<div>Is anyone here familiar with the book The Gypsies by Jan Yoors? <br/>http://www.amazon.com/Gypsies-Jan-Yoors/dp/0881333050 <br/> <br/>Does anyone know if the story he tells is true (which he claimed) or a fabrication (which seems likely)? Does anyone know what the reaction in the Roma communities he describes was, to his publishing the book (which I think happened in the 70's, whereas the events are supposedly from the 1930's)? <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/></div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 5 replies </div>

girl mark 2008-02-23T02:06:19Z Duane http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/274a056b-57bf-4ce9-b187-e59988397693 2008-02-13T20:43:17Z 2008-02-13T18:44:18Z

<div>My Aunt in Budapest just sent me this Article, not very encouraging. <br/> <br/>http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0213/p07s02-woeu.html <br/> <br/>Duane</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 1 reply </div>

Duane 2008-02-13T18:44:18Z Kristnh http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/99fd48ea-3691-4e06-ab9c-42a023810c61 2008-02-05T01:50:17Z 2008-02-05T01:50:17Z

<div>Hey all! Our dear friend Rumen Shopov will be joining us once again in Portland the weekend of Feb 22-24 to give fabulous workshops and performance! <br/> <br/> Friday Feb 22nd 7-9pm Rom drum class! Bring your tupans, darbukas and zills! <br/> Saturday Feb 23rd 2-4pm Balkan ensemble! Bring anything! <br/> <br/> Saturday 8pm show show show! www.euphoriastudios.net <br/> workshops 30$ (35$ after 2/15/08) <br/> Wecome back Sali!! </div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 0 replies </div>

Kristnh 2008-02-05T01:50:17Z fuli tschai http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/aae84eed-8b75-4dd1-863c-402e6bc4ea32 2008-02-03T03:43:00Z 2008-02-03T03:43:00Z

<div>Righting the Roma Foundation is a small Canadian charity that registered in December 2004... <br/>We presently work with facilitating Romani organizations in Eastern Europe, where we provide relief in impoverished Roma settlements through our Child Sponsorship Community Development Program. Our Canadian FUNDRAISING activities are diversified. Please see PROJECTS for more details on community development and how you can apply. <br/> <br/>The founder and president, Monica Repay, hopes her Romani son will grow up to discover his unique heritage, while helping his people reclaim their culture, as well. <br/> <br/> <br/>www.rightingtheroma.org <br/>1-866-858-ROMA (7662) <br/> <br/> <br/>Does anyone have experience with this program? <br/></div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 0 replies </div>

fuli tschai 2008-02-03T03:43:00Z Astrid_Seftali http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/6e8c29b8-5f87-4aa5-a094-3daca2095bf7 2008-01-29T16:20:46Z 2008-01-06T15:59:09Z

<div>I am just reading the book "Bury me standing- the gypsies and their journey" by Isabel Fonseca. Those of you who have read it, what do you think of it? Does it describe the Roma in an appropriate way? Are there other (better?) books you would recommend (or not recommend)? </div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 6 replies </div>

Astrid_Seftali 2008-01-06T15:59:09Z Simona JOVIC http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/0dfe3835-c999-4ed7-86a9-ac6946ef470f 2008-01-28T09:18:19Z 2008-01-28T09:18:19Z

<div>MACEDONIA MUSIC AND DANCE TOUR MAY 2008 <br/>History, language, music and dance of the Macedonian Rroma <br/>May 1st to 8th, 2008 <br/> <br/>This may I am taking you to the biggest rromani community in Europe : Suto Orizari. Almost 60 000 people live in this small city near Skopje, all Rroma from different parts of the Balkans, especially Macedonia, Kosovo and Turkey. The goal of this trip is to make you discover the life of this people, where they come from, what is the language they speak, how they decorate their houses, what is their everyday's life, how big part takes music and dance in it and what looks like a traditional rroma festivity. <br/> <br/>The programme : <br/> <br/>- Rromani dance lessons by local rromani dancers and Simona Jovic <br/>(lessons accompanied by the musicians - dances of the Balkans and Turkey <br/> <br/>- History of the Rroma presented by Ljatif Demir <br/>(Author of "History of the Rroma" and expert and translator for the rromani language) <br/> <br/>- Basic exressions in the rromani language by Ljatif Demir <br/>(Author of "History of the Rroma" and expert and translator for the rromani language) <br/> <br/>- Rromani music classes - clarinet, derbouka, accordeon and other instruments (not included in the tour price) <br/> <br/>- Ederlezi celebration in Suto Orizari <br/>(the biggest festivity of the Balkanian Rroma celebrating the arrival of springtime) <br/> <br/> <br/>Price : <br/> <br/>The price fot this trip is 790 euros, including : <br/> <br/>- Transfert from the airport to the hotel and back <br/>- Accomodation in double rooms in a hotel in Skopje with breakfast included <br/>- Transferts from Skopje to Suto Orizari and back <br/>- Rroma history classes <br/>- Rromani language classes <br/>- Rromani dance workshop accompanied by local musicians in Suto Orizari <br/>- Ederlezi celebration <br/>- Visits of Skopje : turkish bazar, monasteries, mosquet, forteresse, restaurants with live music and dance etc. <br/> <br/>The price do not include : <br/> <br/>- The plane tickets <br/>- Meals (except breakfast) and beverage <br/>- Music classes (plese contact me for the price) <br/> <br/>This trip is opened to men, women and children. If you wish to participe, please send a mail as soon as possible to contact@simonajovic.com <br/> <br/>Looking forward meeting you in Skopje! <br/> <br/>Simona Jovic <br/>Rromani dance performer <br/>President of Humanitarian and Cultural Organization "Rroma of the World" <br/>www.simonajovic.com <br/>contact@simonajovic.com</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 0 replies </div>

Simona JOVIC 2008-01-28T09:18:19Z julia_voiceofroma http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/916dce2a-92cc-488c-8237-79d2ee4f830d 2008-01-28T08:40:58Z 2007-12-03T17:59:26Z

<div>EXODUS OF ROMA AND REASONS FOR MIGRATIONS FROM INDIA <br/>written by Bajram HALITI-India <br/> India is a country of ancient civilization. Its first inhabitants were Dravidians, whose culture we know mostly owing to excavated objects (Mohendjo Daro). Those objects show that Dravidians were the first peasants in India, and that between BC 6000 and 4000 they had a known culture (towns, trades, literacy). Around BC 2000 conquerors who called themselves Aryans (noble, dominant) started their invasion from the north. Struggle between Aryans and Dravidians lasted more than thousand years and it was over around BC 900. The Dravidians were defeated and they migrated to the outmost south of India and to Ceylon. There are no reliable historical documents about this struggle. There are just legends in Aryan sacred books, Vedas, and later in epics Mahabharata and Ramajana, written in Sanskrit. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> In that period people were organized in tribal alliances. Economic strengthening and stronger power of the King caused division of the society into four castes, among which the common people, i.e. the lowest caste, must serve all the others. Wealth of India (spices, gold, ivory, precious stones) attracted the conquerors even in the ancient world. Persian emperor Daruis I conquered Panjab, riverfront of the Indus, in BC 516. Alexander the Great penetrated into the riverfront of the Ganges (BC 327-325). Penetration of invaders resulted in a rising against foreigners and to eventual uniting of northern India into a powerful kingdom Magadha (the fourth century BC). The most important persons in the first Indian state were emperors Chandragupta (BC 321-296) and Asoka (BC 273- 232), whose luxurious palace in the capital Pataliputri had astonished his contemporaries. Lower castes had been cruelly exploited, and therefore risings of people were not rare. People’s resistance was followed by a new religion, Buddhism. Buddhism denied the system of castes, although it was not, as well as Christianity, invite the oppressed to revolutionary fight, but it preached passiveness and bearing suffer, promising the oppressed people liberation from pain, transcendence of agony after their death and sinkage into nothingness or NIRVANA “. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> Indian emperors soon realized that Buddhism was not a threat to the system. Thus some of them accepted and supported it, like Asoka did. After Asoka had died (BC 232) the kingdom Magadha fell apart, and there was not a bigger united state in India until the fourth century. After the kingdom of Gupta disunited, people who were used to passiveness for centuries could not strive against conquerors. So in the tenth century, the Afghanistan sultan of Gaznia (AD 998-1030) conquered a large part of India. Islam penetrates into the country, and feudalistic relations replaced the slave-holding ones. In the begining of the thirteenth century, Mongols devastated the contry. It was particularly destroyed during the Mongol khan Tamerlane at the end of the fourteenth century, when many irrigation systems were destroyed. Baber, one of the Tamerlane’s successors, conquered the whole northern India at the beginning of the fifteenth century, and from that moment started the reign of Mongols in India, which lasted till the nineteenth century. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> Those events enable us at least to guess motives and reasons for leaving India. Namely, on the grounds of our knowledge so far, it could be said that Roma community was formed by uniting of several tribes, with various dialects, even of various races. The community most probably got its name after Rama, the legendary hero from the epic, and its members that were of different caste origin, became “Rama’s children.” As Rama’s children, or “Rromane }have” – Roma arrived to European countries. The evidence of this is given in chronicles, scientific researches, works of art, etc. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> When Mahmud Gazni became ruler of the areas Panjab and Sind, Roma community actually disintegrated, and many tribes were outside India, the country that, as travel writers testified, had various names. Roma called it most probably ”Baro than”, “Large country”, or “Romani phuv”, “Country of Roma”, which is expression found in some legends and stories. Roma were also leaving India because of invasions of other conquerors, especially those by Mahmuda from Gor and Genghis Khan. The tribes that remained in India went to the north and to the south, and they can still be seen in many parts of India. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> At last, it is necessary to emphasise some more reasons for migrations of Roma from their native country. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> Roma was the first on the way of Hun hordes that were, in their invasion from the north and northeast, destroying everything on their way. Since Roma were nomadic, without a permanent place of residence, they started moving toward different parts of India, looking for a way to rescue themselves from a total destruction. They moved toward west. The fierce Hun hordes were after them. And when the first groups moved in that direction, there was no coming back. Other miserable Hindu joined them, too. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> Some other reasons for migrations should be added to these historical ones, which altogether were sufficient for unbalance and shaping the psychology of escape. We should also not neglect climate elements: disastrous droughts and floods; periods of wet, summer monsoon and period of dry, winter monsoon (the season of summer monsoon is from May till October, and it blows from south-west toward north-east; this wind comes from the Indian ocean and it brings heavy rainfall; winter monsoon blows from north-east to south-west, from land toward the sea, and it is dry). If summer monsoon is only fifteen days late, a drought starts. The drought destroys crops and the consequence is hunger. In 1943, the summer monsoon was late, and 3.500.000 died of hunger. The second natural disaster is flood in the valley of Indian rivers, after heavy monsoon rains. Floods destroy crops in the large valleys near the rivers. Both of these disasters result in death of population and force them to move away. It is known that even today this social evil is present in India. Plague, yellow fever, bilharzia, dysentery epidemics, virus hepatitis, cholera and other epidemics of dangerous diseases in this area of high temperatures, destroyed millions of people in some parts of India. The most exposed to diseases were surely people who lived in miserable unhygienic life conditions and bad nutrition, which means that Roma were the most affected. These diseases caused, and cause today, much panic among Hindu, so the diseases were one of important reasons for migrations in the past, i.e. for leaving their native county. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/>Besides, in this county with millions of people belonging to different nations, they were, as it was already mentioned, divided in castes in the Middle Ages. The castes are characterised by big differences in way of life, language, belonging to religious sects, etc. Because of this there were conflicts and strife among castes, which led to extermination of certain groups of nations. In those conflicts Roma paid the highest price. The aim of religion and religious sects was assimilation, and this led to constants small wars of believers against each other. Modern India still carries that burden. Siki still confront other nations and state authorities. It is clear that these events caused migrations of Roma. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> All those reasons forced Roma to leave their native country and to start the life of constant migrations and suffering. Such hard way is still present in their travels. Eventually, nomadic way of life caused that Roma were not nostalgically bound to some territory, as it was the case with the caste of soldiers and the caste of peasants in India. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> Wars, persecutions, nomadic way of life, which was the cause of specific professions among Roma, and economic reasons led to migrations of Roma to some parts of the world, and they have lasted till the present time. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> Nothing had been reliably known about the origin of Roma until the middle of the eighteenth century. Then, not having enough historical documents as a base for explaining this issue, scientists started research physical characteristics, customs and language of Roma, which enable them to affirm their origin. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> German scientist Grelman was the first who arrived to a conclusion that Roma come from India, having researched physical similarities, analogies in customs and identities in roots of some words and grammar structures. His assumptions were correct, and they were later quite affirmed in the studies of Pott, Paspati and Mikloshic, so that we can now quite surely claim that Roma are of Indian origin. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> Romi are similar to Dravidians. It is known that this ethnic group lives in the plateau Deccan, in the south part of peninsula in India. According to some ancient Indian sources, Dravidians were in captivity in the Indian peninsula during the invasion of the Aryans. At that time assimilation of dark-skinned Dravidians began. Thus is how, allegedly, Hindu-Aryan society was formed, and later Hindu traditional caste society. However those Dravidians who were not assimilated, remained out of the caste zone. They were slaves, doing hard physical jobs, and they were in bad social position. Their destiny has not changed almost a bit during centuries and it is alike even nowadays. Their status of “untouchables” usually brings to mind a clear association to Roma’s destiny all over the world. Their inferiority, fear and resourcefulness speak in the behalf of conclusion that Roma are direct descendants of the Dravidians. Ancient Indian sources contain information about which show us that many conquerors of the Indian peninsula used Dravidians as labour even outside this area. They were taken to the Persian Gulf in galleys. Then they were sent all over Persia, and later to the coasts of Africa and Europe or to Afghanistan and what is now Tashkent, and across Bosphorus to the Balkans. According to Naik Ransit, out of all groups of Roma that today live in India as aborigines, Banjarasi are the most related to Roma all over the world. It is confirmed that Ban|ara is one of the largest groups of Roma in India. They live in 21 states of India and their number is estimated to be about 60 million. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> Ethnologists and linguists continue to study Roma who live in India nowadays. Thus under the name “Gypsy” they comprise the following tribes: Bamti, Beldari, Dom, Garodi, Gasai, Gulgulia, Kandzari, Kolhati, Ladi, Malari, Mianuali (or Lahari), Nati, Odki, Phendari, Sasi, Sikalgari, Banjara, Lamani, Shara i Luri. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> The characteristic of Roma in Europe-that they have various names-can also be seen in Ban|arasa. They also have a large number of names. They are in fact famous for numerous synonyms in different parts of India: Lambani, Lobani, Lobano, Brinjari, Sugali, Brujavasi, Kvangli, Shirkiban, etc. Their inconstancy and moving from one territory to another explain such variety of names-each environment gave them a new name. According to scientific resources, these people have very dynamic and interesting life and an impressive culture. They have been nomadic travellers for centuries, and they have, using bulls, camels, horses, mules and elephants, been carrying various goods across the whole country, searching for a market and thus arriving to the remote parts of India. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/>Naik Ransit states: ,,After I studied literature and documents, I came to a conclusion that Banjarasi and Roma have many common traits.” These are his findings: <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/>1. Roma dialects have many words similar to Banjara dialect <br/> <br/>2. Both Roma and Ban|arasi live as nomads and travel in caravans; <br/> <br/>3. Roma do not assimilate in the environment in which they settle for a while, i.e. they remain separate and independent; Ban|arasi also live separately and build settlements called tanda. The word “tanda” is also used by Roma in the town Gnjilane (Kosovo), which is interesting and indicative; <br/> <br/>4. Songs and dances of Roma and Ban|arasi are similar; <br/> <br/>5. Ban|arasi do not follow any existing religion, but worship their own gods; <br/> <br/>6. Roma have many customs and habits that are similar to those of Ban|arasi, <br/> <br/>7. Basing his opinion on Rishi’s research, Ran|it claims that Roma and Banjarasi descend from the same group and that the ancestor of both preserved their traditions. He also thinks that Banjarasi originated from Radgahstan and Radzput or Jatklan, as well as anthropological characteristics, way of living and folk culture are similar to those of Roma in Panjab and Radgahstan. Naik Ransit concludes: ,,Roma and Banjarasi are members of the same group; one part of that group, Banjarasi, stayed in India, and their relatives, known as Roma, passed through Kiber and Bolan in the north-west part of India in order to avoid invasion of Muslim states and therefrom began to move al over the world”. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/>Together with the inhabitants of Panjab, Banjarasi joined the action of European Roma and declared themselves as belonging to this nation. So far it has been the only Indian ,,Gypsy” tribe that raised a question of its ethnic origin and which, together with Roma outside India, fight for emancipation and national affirmation. <br/> <br/>In this short review of historical development of European studying of Roma origin, we can see that it had to pass over a long way top reach some scientific truths about his issue. Unlike in Europe, several centuries ago Arabians knew that India had been mother country of Roma. Thus the outstanding Arabic lexicographer Ebu El-Fadil D`emaludin Muhamed, known as Ibn Menzur El-Ifriki El-Misri (died in 1311/12, or in 711 AD) without any doubt confirmed that Roma originated from India. In his great work “Lisan el-areb”, examining the word Zutt that is today in Arabic a literary expression for Roma, he stated that it denoted a group of black people from India. Clothes called Zuttije were named after them, and there is also an opinion that this term comes from the Indian word Gette. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> The most reliable source of reaching the truth about Roma is based on researching characteristics of the language, since particularity of a nation is best preserved in it. It would be wrong to consider language only as a set of lexical and grammatical particularities. On the contrary, language is born, it develops and disappears in common evolutional process with the nation itself. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/>It is important to emphasise that research of Romany language and confirming Roma origin has been affirmed, and they engaged some outstanding linguists like August Fridrih Pott and Franc Miklosi’. In the 1890s these scientists has exactly confirmed that Romany language is related to seven Indian dialects: Hindi, Marati, Panjabi, Sindi, Bengali and Urdu. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> These scientists claim that these seven dialects developed in the same area and under sane circumstances. According to Miklosic, it could have happened before the tenth century. It would mean that Roma left India after this period. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/>Clebert thinks that in studying Roma origin we should not only rely on analyses of dialects, but also on analyses of particularities that correspond to Roma professions. “If we take a look in catalogues of Indian castes, we will see that most of them were blacksmiths or musicians”. And as we know, traditional professions of Roma in Yugoslavia are blacksmith and musician. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> Even today Roma’s prominent tendency towards trades and music refers to their belonging to higher castes in their mother country – India, which is confirmed by contemporary Indian scientists V. R. Rishi and Naik Ransit. At last, we can surely state that Roma’s talent for music is an important ethnic mark, so scientific circles claimed that this mark proved that India was their native country. It was thought that they were in fact Lurs, who were, according to traditional sources, invited by Persian shah to move from India to Persia (AD 420-440). This attitude is supported by A. F. Pott. We can also consider their talent for trades as an ethnic mark, since ethnic groups in modern India who belong to Roma also have professions such as blacksmiths or musicians. India is known (in old written documents) as a country rich in minerals. It is a fact that iron and other metals are forged in this country for centuries, which was recorded in history even in BC 1000. Handicraft trades were also developed in India, especially metalworking, so that forging was ancient profession of Roma. They brought the tendency towards these professions from India and took it with them all over the world. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> Everything that was said about origin of Roma, based on written documents, can serve as a reliable proof that Roma – in respect to their appearance, temperament, language, folklore, traits of character and other sacred values-are part, i.e. members of the big Indian nation of Roma and they are most related to Ban|arasi, a big tribe of that nation. Their native county is India, their real home is Panjab in the middle part of the area along the Indus and further all the way to the desert Tar. Roma call India Baro Than, which means the big land of ancestors. In spite of time, place and extensive metamorphosis in many European countries, where they have often been like a grain of salt in an ocean, they remain independent in many aspects. On this basis, it is possible nowadays to accept their relations to other Roma groups in India as scientific fact. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> Some time between the tenth and eleventh centuries, the largest groups of Roma left India and the main cause was invasion of the great emperor Mahmud Gazni, who led 17 raids in western India. Running away from terror, Roma first stopped in Iran, and then separated in two groups, the first moving toward Spain, and the second toward Byzantium and Greece. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/>Bajram HALITI</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 2 replies </div>

julia_voiceofroma 2007-12-03T17:59:26Z Catherine http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/dc6f9d19-2c50-4de7-a73a-9d9acbc794c5 2008-01-26T17:39:59Z 2008-01-23T06:03:24Z

<div>Hi all, I need your advice! I am living in a suburb of Delhi, and starved of dance classes :( I really want to learn Rajasthani dance, possibly from the Kalbelia tribe. I dont know where they are based in Rajasthan, and I dont know how to contact the dancers. Can anybody let me know if I can go and learn directly from the tribe members? I dont want to book through some travel agent, I will pay and want all of the money to go directly to the dancers. I am open to options, please let me know if you have any information :) <br/> <br/>Catherine</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 1 reply </div>

Catherine 2008-01-23T06:03:24Z sandrakeil http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/0b690c3d-b7e4-4990-8fa4-3e7127ceb688 2008-01-21T10:56:12Z 2008-01-18T16:44:44Z

<div>This is from a friend who was at a romani diaspora festival in delhi. She said they're putting forward a proposal to the indian government to recognise all roma people as people of indian origin, meaning they can travel and study there without a visa. And I guess to receive government protection (not sure how limited it would be...?) Does anyone know more about this?</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 3 replies </div>

sandrakeil 2008-01-18T16:44:44Z Astrid_Seftali http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/5b42df6d-e0ec-4d48-8ef2-7a80ada29085 2008-01-13T14:11:12Z 2008-01-11T14:18:04Z

<div>Has somebody seen the new movie titled "Gypsy Caravan"? It will start running tomorrow here in Tokyo and I am planning to see it. What do you think of it? <br/>http://www.gypsycaravanmovie.com/ <br/>This website also has an interesting comment on Roma by Johnny Depp. (!)</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 2 replies </div>

Astrid_Seftali 2008-01-11T14:18:04Z hexkitten http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/a5cd2d84-4aa2-4f27-9cc8-d4db9c791fc8 2008-01-11T19:16:01Z 2008-01-11T19:16:01Z

<div>Hi Julia, <br/> <br/>I was wondering if there will be another festival of Roma this year? I have never been able to attend previous ones, and I would like to make sure I can go this year. It is usually in Sebastopol, if I remember correctly...? If I am mistaken, are there any other events local to the bay area where one can see Roma music, culture and dancing? <br/> <br/>Thank you! <br/></div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 0 replies </div>

hexkitten 2008-01-11T19:16:01Z Simona JOVIC http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/a3ba01ef-d543-4a49-b256-b7fbe852191b 2008-01-09T11:03:46Z 2007-10-06T20:35:59Z

<div>My dear friends, <br/> <br/>I am leaving in a few days to a rroma village in south of the Balkans where I will spend some time. It is a very joyfull village, where young rroma sing and dance but unfortunately live poorly. So if you have anything that I could take to there for children, clothes, medicins, toys, cosmetics, school needs or anything else, please contact me as <br/>soon as possible. <br/> <br/>Thank you in advance, <br/> <br/>Simona Jovic <br/>Humanitary and Cultural Organization of the Rroma of the world <br/>www.simonajovic. com <br/>rromaorganization@gmail.com <br/>France : +33 6 34 25 72 52 (until October 16th) <br/>Serbia : +381 64 499 05 19 (from October 16th</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 2 replies </div>

Simona JOVIC 2007-10-06T20:35:59Z julia_voiceofroma http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/209960ab-ae91-4d6a-9873-bcfbc15404dd 2008-01-08T15:58:09Z 2008-01-08T15:58:09Z

<div>Hello Dear VOR Tribe members, <br/>I hope that you find some of the article helpful, informative or educatonal as the CURRENT SITUATION OF ROMA in EUROPE. <br/>Julia <br/> <br/>*********************************************************************************************************************************************** <br/>The European Roma Information Office (ERIO) is an international advocacy organization, which promotes political and public discussion on Roma issues by providing factual and in-dept information on a range of policy issues to the European Union institutions, Roma civil organizations, governmental authorities and intergovernmental bodies. <br/> <br/>The ERIO cooperates with a network of a large number of organizations and acts to combat racial discrimination and social exclusion through awareness raising, lobbying and policy development. <br/> <br/>ERIO <br/>Ave. Edouard Lacomble 17 <br/>Brussels 1040 <br/>Belgium <br/> <br/>Tel: 0032(0)27333462 <br/>Fax: 0032(0)27333875 <br/> <br/>For more information: <br/> <br/>E-mail: ivan.ivanov@erionet.org <br/> <br/>www.erionet.org <br/> <br/>Racist attack against 250 Roms in Rome <br/>Rome. January 4th, 2008 <br/>250 Rrom citizens had take shelter in the sheds, living in very harsh conditions. The fire broke out suddenly and spread with unprecedented speed throughout the sheds of the derelict warehouses. Racist attack in Rome. 250 Rroms risk being burnt to death <br/> <br/>Full article on http://de.indymedia.org/2008/01/204380.shtml <br/> <br/> <br/>Italy extends decree to expel immigrants <br/> <br/>Dec. 28, 2007 <br/> <br/>ROME -- The Italian government Friday approved a decree allowing the expulsion of immigrants on grounds that they pose a threat to public safety. <br/> <br/>The decree extends one approved in November after the wife of a naval officer was raped and killed in Rome, allegedly by a Romanian immigrant, the news agency Ansa reported. Parliament is expected to act next month on an immigration bill that would make the policy law. <br/> <br/>About 500 people have already been forced to leave the country and another 1,200 could be expelled. Most of them are believed to be from Romania, now in the European Union, and many are Roma or Gypsies, like the man accused of the killing in Rome. <br/> <br/>Welfare Minister Paolo Ferrero called for a "comprehensive commitment" to immigration reform. The government plans legislation that would help immigrants integrate into Italian society, the reports said. <br/> <br/>United Press International <br/> <br/> <br/>Migration: The Italian Job <br/> <br/>Romanian responses echo the insecurities and fears voiced by Italians over the “Gypsy murder” incident. <br/> <br/>Emigrants generally do not enjoy good press in Romania. The media often indiscriminately label them “strawberry pickers.” When they do make the news, it is only in stories about new Romanian National Bank statistics showing how much money they send home, the boost to the national currency based on the strength of their buying sprees when they return for holidays, or accusation that they leave their children home alone (or in the care of the state) to go and make money abroad. <br/> <br/>Large-scale emigration is a relatively new phenomenon for Romania, so there are as yet no large investments or social projects financially supported by emigrants, as has happened with Mexicans in the United States. Emigrants overwhelmingly tend to come from poor backgrounds, so their influence on Romanian political circles is almost nil, and the support they receive from the Romanian state is usually very limited. <br/> <br/>This situation partly explains the reactions of Romanian politicians to the outbreak of hysteria against their fellow citizens in the wake of the murder of an Italian woman on 30 October in a Rome suburb. The main suspect is a Romanian citizen from a Romani settlement close to the train station in Tor di Quinto. <br/> <br/>Full article on http://www.tol.cz/look/TOL/article.tpl?IdLanguage=1&amp;IdPublication=4&amp;NrIssue=250&amp;NrSection=2&amp;NrArticle=19262 <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/>Hands Off the Rrom Children <br/> <br/>EveryOne Group is keeping a careful watch on the situation of the Rroms in Italy. <br/> <br/>15.12.2007 <br/> <br/>It is not an easy job seeing the authorities and institutions are putting up increasingly impenetrable barriers between the places where the persecution of the Rroms is talking place and everyday citizens by putting constraints on the free press and the right of humanitarian organizations to observe what is going on during the camp clearances and expulsion operations. As we have reported on several occasions, the conditions of the Rrom people have become more and more disastrous as the pogroms against their settlements are throwing thousands of helpless human beings (most of whom are children and adolescents) out into the street without any means of support. Our group has been attempting to report the institutional destruction of the Rrom community in Italy by appealing to international authorities, and on November 15th, 2007, thanks to the support of enlightened political parties, it obtained the approval of the European Parliament Resolution on the application of Directive 2004/38/CE concerning the rights of citizens of the Union and their families to move freely and reside in the territory of member states. <br/> <br/>More on http://www.everyonegroup.com/EveryOne/MainPage/MainPage.html <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/>Not included – Kosovo Roma refugees and the Decade for Roma Inclusion <br/> <br/>06.01.2008 <br/> <br/>Launched in February 2005, the Roma Decade is termed „ an unprecedented political commitment by governments in Central and South Eastern Europe to improve the socio-economic status and social inclusion of Roma within a regional framework." The initiative is supported by the European Commission, the World Bank, national governments and major international donor organisations. Its actions focus on four priority areas: education, employment, health, and housing, with the governments being encouraged to also take into account, poverty, discrimination and gender main streaming. <br/> <br/>Among the countries of South East Europe, Serbia, Montenegro, and Macedonia, have been part of the Decade since the beginning. Most of these countries have sizeable refugee and IDP communities from Kosovo which is not reflected in the national programmes. As a result, Kosovo Roma refugees as well as returnees from Western Europe remain excluded from the benefits of the Decade. <br/> <br/>The full text of the document is available at http://kosovoroma.wordpress.com/roma-decade/ <br/> </div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 0 replies </div>

julia_voiceofroma 2008-01-08T15:58:09Z Simona JOVIC http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/93dc1bc0-ee7e-4b5e-9661-c63f04794233 2008-01-07T12:00:12Z 2008-01-07T12:00:12Z

<div>Svim prijateljima Romima pravoslavne veroispovesti MIR BOZJI, HRISTOS SE RODI ! <br/> <br/>Simona</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 0 replies </div>

Simona JOVIC 2008-01-07T12:00:12Z Halil http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/4fc0095b-7b5c-46c7-936c-6125995af7b8 2008-01-07T00:46:31Z 2007-12-29T11:10:50Z

<div>Very nice Turkish Roman Klarnetci: <br/> <br/> <br/>www.myspace.com/ilhangunc</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 2 replies </div>

Halil 2007-12-29T11:10:50Z foolfaerie420 http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/383e11b2-c399-45be-beb4-58cc392d0ad1 2008-01-04T15:34:18Z 2008-01-02T17:59:09Z

<div>"In a written statement tendered to the court, Mr Freeman said he had gone to the aid of a gypsy who was being attacked." <br/> <br/>John Paul Freeman an Australian serving in the British Military is being held in custody for Murder. In his statement he told press that he had gone to the aid of a gypsy who was being attacked. <br/> <br/>Attacks and beatings of Roma are a common problem in Europe, and the situation for Freeman is complicated by the fact that the man who died in the alleged attacks was Andrei Christov Manov, the 20-year-old son of prominent Bulgarian psychotherapist Cristo Manov. The other man involved in the stabbings is in stable condition. <br/> <br/>Is it possible that this soldier of the British military could not witness the violence against the vulnerable population in Bulgaria without respondiing by giving aid? <br/> <br/>Being new to the region arriving December 22 it may have been a shock to him to witness the sort of violence that many people in Europe tend to turn away from and ignore. <br/> <br/> My question is when is enough enough? <br/> <br/> When will Europeans show their humanitarian side and stop the violence against the Roma? <br/> <br/>http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22987320-2,00.html <br/> <br/>This second article does not mention his statement, or the incident of violence that provoked the attack at all. <br/> <br/>http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/01/2129649.htm?section=world</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 2 replies </div>

foolfaerie420 2008-01-02T17:59:09Z romdeussen http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/366f5061-42b3-400f-9ab0-31c5c46a703a 2008-01-02T23:00:53Z 2007-12-21T19:19:59Z

<div>For those of you who have the R. Lee books on Rromani, do you know what dialect he teaches in them, and how are they? My family was Bohemian Roma, all exterminated in WWII and the language with them, so my remaining family spoke Russoles and something that may have been more Rajisthani, along with some Kalderdash. I've been debating his books but again, no idea of what dialect they teach. <br/></div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 8 replies </div>

romdeussen 2007-12-21T19:19:59Z Simona JOVIC http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/43b0193c-52ed-46b5-8f4f-b80de536d95d 2007-12-27T15:43:19Z 2007-12-26T08:46:38Z

<div> <br/>Baxtalo Krecuno thaj o Nevo 2008 bersh sa e romenge. Mangav tumenge sa najshukare ko 2008 bersh, but baxt thaj sastipe ! <br/> <br/>Devlesa, <br/> <br/>Simona Jovic</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 3 replies </div>

Simona JOVIC 2007-12-26T08:46:38Z Simona JOVIC http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/dd7d99c2-72e9-4ba6-a0ae-e914c062a88f 2007-12-12T12:38:40Z 2007-12-12T12:38:40Z

<div>Simona Jovic <br/>Dances and music of the Rroma <br/>Humanitary and Cultural Organization "Rroma of the world" <br/>www.simonajovic.com <br/> <br/> <br/>Dear all, <br/> <br/>This is the last call for all those who would like to join my january's trip to India where we will be learning the kalbeliya dance directly from Kalbeliya musicians and dancers in their nomadic village. The trip will take place between January 14th and 21st. To know more about the kalbeliya (or sapera) dance, you can watch this video : <br/> <br/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjNNK-KUKg0&amp;feature=related <br/> <br/>For those who live in Eastern India, I will be performing the "Road of the Rroma" performance (Dances of the Rroma from India, Afghanistan, Egypt, Turkey, Macedonia, Serbia, Rumania and Hungary) in Orissa : <br/> <br/>* In Orissa on January 12th <br/>* In Bhubaneswar on January 22nd <br/> <br/>For all information, please contact the organizers : Bhubaneswar Music Cercle lipipusparbn@yahoo.com <br/> <br/>I wanted to thank one more time Adriana, Alheli, Veronica and all the other girls for their warm welcome in Mexico city. <br/> <br/>Devlesa, <br/> <br/>Simona Jovic <br/>contact@simonajovic.com <br/> <br/> <br/>UPCOMING EVENTS : <br/> <br/>* Orissa - INDIA <br/>January 12th, 2008 <br/>Performance <br/> <br/> <br/>* Rajasthan - INDIA <br/>January 14th to 21st, 2008 <br/>Kalbelya music and dance tour <br/> <br/> <br/>*Bhubaneswar - INDIA <br/>January 22nd, 2008 <br/>Performance <br/> <br/> <br/>* Paris - FRANCE <br/>February 9th and 10th, 2008 <br/>Workshops <br/> <br/> <br/>* Paris- FRANCE <br/>February 16 and 17, 2008 <br/>Workshops <br/> <br/> <br/>* Paris- FRANCE <br/>February 23 and 24, 2008 <br/>Workshops <br/> <br/> <br/>* Vranje - SERBIA <br/>March 2008 <br/>Humanitary work <br/>If you wish to help rroma children with clothes, medicins, toys or anything, contact me <br/> <br/> <br/>* Saint-Pierre - REUNION ISLAND <br/>April 2008 (exact dates will be soon confirmed) <br/>Concert &amp; performance with Rromano Horo group <br/> <br/> <br/>* Saint-Denis - REUNION ISLAND <br/>April 2008 (the exact dates will be soon confirmed) <br/>Workshop : dances of the Rroma from India, Egypt and Turkey <br/> <br/> <br/>* Skopje (Suto Orizari) - MACEDONIA <br/>May 1st to 8th, 2008 <br/>Music and dance tour in Suto Orizari the biggest rroma comunity in Europe <br/>History, language, music and dance with Macedonian Rroma <br/>Ederlezi celebration <br/> <br/> <br/>* Zeceprajini - ROMANIA <br/>End of may 2008 <br/>Humanitary work <br/>If you wish to help rroma children with clothes, medicins, toys or anything, contact me</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 0 replies </div>

Simona JOVIC 2007-12-12T12:38:40Z Gregor Dufunia http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/81dfefe9-db89-4c95-9d3c-d5831e2db1aa 2007-10-22T17:38:33Z 2007-09-20T20:23:21Z

<div>Hello, I am posting a question here and anyone may try to answer it and the answers will be appreciated. The tribe list called "Shuvani", waht does it mean? It seems to have many post related to the Roma as a subject, but do not understand. Because shuv in Romanes means "to put" (in a very nasty way), and "ani" is the adjective suffix saying kind or like, as in Romani (Roma-like). So Shuvani would mean then put it like. I do not understand if the term is supposed to be related to something in the language! </div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 4 replies </div>

Gregor Dufunia 2007-09-20T20:23:21Z JCC http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/4373e9c2-b950-4002-9394-a5a8fbe4f8b6 2007-10-12T19:22:17Z 2007-10-12T19:22:17Z

<div>Dan Cantrell &amp; Friends with Eliyahu &amp; Qadim at the JCC East Bay <br/> <br/>Dan Cantrell and his group of supremely talented performers forge a resonant new sound from a blend of Roma, Jewish, and Eastern European influences. Cantrell received a prestigious award from the Creative Work Fund to become the 22nd Annual Jewish Music Festival’s commissioned artist for the opening night extravaganza, Musical Fortunes. An Emmy-award winning film composer, front man for the rock outfit The Toids, and performer with acts ranging from Joanna Newsom to Tom Waits, his creations beckon you to listen. This unique performance is augmented with circus arts, and features a host of prodigious musical talent. Eliyahu &amp; Qadim guide you through Middle Eastern deserts, North Indian mountains, and the warm waters of the Mediterranean. The group is composed of Indian, Iranian, Jewish, Moroccan and Syrian musicians and celebrates the common musical and spiritual heritage of the troubled region’s ancient cultures. <br/> <br/>• Date, Time, and Cost: <br/>Saturday, October 20, 8:00pm; $12 members, $15 public <br/> <br/>JCC East Bay <br/>1414 Walnut Street <br/>Berkeley CA 94709 <br/>(510) 848-0237 <br/>http://jcceastbay.org <br/> <br/>Contact outreach@jcceastbay.org for More Information...</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 0 replies </div>

JCC 2007-10-12T19:22:17Z Simona JOVIC http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/27548967-f41c-48a5-88f6-b89b8f4aab8a 2007-10-04T08:16:59Z 2007-10-04T08:16:59Z

<div>MUSIC AND DANCE TOUR IN RAJASTHAN <br/>In the heart of the nomad village <br/>Kalbelya dance workshop with the rajasthani nomad dancers and musicians <br/> <br/>JANUARY 14 TO 21, 2008 <br/> <br/>It has been a long time now since I've started organizing this trip each year and taking to the heart of Rajasthan to meet this extraordinary cast of nomad musicians, dancers and snake charmers living in the Thar desert. They are nomad, each year I have to find their new camp location and it is always a big joy to find it. As always, it is going to be a several days workshop with these dancers and musicians, as always it is going to be a wonderfull human aventure, a warm welcom in their village (a very bi privilege) and of course a small performance improvised only for us. If you want to go back to the origins of Rroma people and their dances, if you want to discover the authentic "world" of Gulabi Sapera, Suwa Devi Kalbelya, Musafir and others, this is a trip to do! <br/> <br/>The number of the participants is limited, but there are still a few places left, so if you decide to join us, this is the moment! <br/> <br/>To get more information about this trip or see the picture of the one I organized in january 2007, please visit the "Music and dance tours" of my website : www.simonajovic.com <br/> <br/> <br/>Simona Jovic <br/>Dances and music of the Rroma <br/>www.simonajovic.com <br/>simonajovic@gmail.com <br/> <br/>(The other trip organized : Macedonia in may 2008 for the Hederlezi celebration) <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/></div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 0 replies </div>

Simona JOVIC 2007-10-04T08:16:59Z podp http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/73a6c2d5-c988-4cc9-8a73-5706551d6da7 2007-09-24T22:17:53Z 2007-09-21T19:51:48Z

<div>salut! roma/ balkan music friends, <br/> <br/>Last minute post, cause i thought this was out on the tribes a bit already, but in case you didn't catch it, <br/>and would like to help spread the word for VOR's great causes and unforgettable cultural events : <br/>(please post widely, there's many upcoming US dates for these Yuri's concerts) <br/> <br/>Voice Of Roma presents <br/>YURI YUNAKOV And HIS ROMANI WEDDING BAND <br/>( the master musicians of bulgaria ) <br/> <br/>Friday September 21st 2007, 7:30pm <br/>Croatian American Cultural Center <br/>60 Onondaga Ave, SF, Ca. <br/>( Excelsior District) <br/>Tickets: $20 <br/> <br/>( benefits VOR progams for the stateless Romani people around the world ! ) <br/> <br/>check the tribe event listing for Sept. 21st here: <br/>sanfrancisco.tribe.net/event/...7c6fd77 <br/> <br/>yrui's full tour here: <br/>www.voiceofroma.com/kal/yitinerary.htm <br/> <br/>and for more upcoming balkanizin fun in the SF bay area <br/>check here: <br/> <br/>xlterrestrials.org/plog/ind...etter-v1/ <br/> <br/> <br/>jam on ! <br/> <br/>podski</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 2 replies </div>

podp 2007-09-21T19:51:48Z Simona JOVIC http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/80c6d9bf-653d-4d8e-b5b5-2b697cf07656 2007-09-19T08:52:29Z 2007-09-19T08:52:29Z

<div>UPCOMING RROMA MUSIC, DANCE AND LANGUAGE TOURS ORGANIZED BY SIMONA JOVIC <br/>In the heart of the rroma villages of Rajasthan and Macedonia <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/>RAJASTHAN - INDIA (January 14th to 21st, 2008) <br/>Dancing the kalbelya dance with the rajasthani nomad dancers and musicians <br/> <br/> <br/>It has been now a long time since I've been taking you each year to the heart of Rajasthan to meet this extraordinary cast of nomad musicians, dancers and snake charmers living in the Thar desert. They are nomad, each year I have to find their new camp location and it is always a big joy to find it. As always, it is going to be a several days workshop with these dancers and musicians, as always it is going to be a wonderfull human aventure, a warm welcom in their village (a very bi privilege) and of course a small performance improvised only for us. If you want to go back to the origins of Rroma people and their dances, this is a trip to do. <br/> <br/>MORE DETAILS : http://www.simonajovic.com/v2/voyages/rajasthanUS.html <br/>PHOTOS FROM THE SAME TRIP ORGANIZED IN 2007: http://www.simonajovic.com/v2/voyages/indeUS.html <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/>**************************************************************************************************************************************************** <br/> <br/> <br/>SKOPJE, VELES - MACEDONIA ( May 1st to 8th, 2008) <br/>History, language, music and dance of the Macedonian Rroma and the Hederlezi celebration <br/> <br/> <br/>The journey will start in Skopje with the semiran on the rroma history and language classes, both presented by my friend Mr Ljatif Demir, the writter of "Brief History of the Rroma" ("Tikni historija e Romengiri" published in rromanès and macedonian with Mr Rajko Djuric) and the rroma language specialist. We will also visit the Suto Orizari (Sutka), the biggest rroma community of the Balkans. <br/>Then, we will spend a few days in a small town of Veles, in a rroma comunity, called "Small Istanbul", for the turkish influences on their music and dance that are very big! We will be there with the rroma musicians and dancers, during the day learning with them, and in the evening just having fun! <br/>We will finish this journey with the Ederlezi celebration- this is the biggest celebration of the balkanian Rroma (celebration arrival of the spring). Very impressive!!! <br/>Details coming soon... <br/> <br/> <br/>*************************************************************************************************************************************************** <br/> <br/> <br/>For any information about, Simona Jovic, Demiran Cerimovic orchestra or Humanitary and Cultural Organization of the Rroma of the World, we invite you to visit our website : www.simonajovic.com <br/> <br/> <br/>Simona Jovic <br/>Dances and music of the Rroma <br/>http://www.simonajovic.com <br/>contact@simonajovic.com <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/></div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 0 replies </div>

Simona JOVIC 2007-09-19T08:52:29Z 3rifily http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/08c2d927-6eda-420b-8f1a-093ad7fe483e 2007-09-07T01:54:16Z 2007-06-06T09:46:54Z

<div>Hello everyone!! <br/>A few days ago I was lucky enought to witness the Fanfare Ciocarlia with Kings and Queens of the Gypsies show here in Athens... <br/>Ive been completely mezmerised by this song and would like to know the meaning of the lyrics... <br/> <br/>can anyone help?? <br/>Thanks!!!!!!!!!11 <br/> <br/>Până când nu te iubeam...dorule, dorule <br/>Unde mă culcam dormeam...dorule, dorule <br/>Dar de-acum că te iubesc ...dorule, dorule <br/>Nu pot să mă odihnesc...dorule, dorule. <br/> <br/>Ies din casă să mă duc...dorule, dorule <br/>Nu ştiu încotro s-apuc...dorule, dorule <br/>Săraca inima mea...dorule, dorule <br/>Te ating nu se mai ïa...dorule, dorule.</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 3 replies </div>

3rifily 2007-06-06T09:46:54Z Simona JOVIC http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/7ebb1c1c-4c4b-46c6-bda0-e288c8acb882 2007-08-16T14:57:39Z 2007-08-16T14:57:39Z

<div>This year again, like in 2002 and 2006, the Demiran Ćerimović rromani orchestra from Vranje in Serbia won the price of the best balkanian orchestra on the Guca Festival 2007. The Guca Festival is the biggest brass band festival of the world and this year it took place between the August 8 and 12. <br/>Demiran Ćerimović orchestra is well known for playing the authentic rromani music from the Balkans, especially from South of Serbia, and he won this price by playing his "Čoček de Vranje". His percussionniste, also won the price of the best percussioniste of the Festival. <br/> <br/>To know more about his artist, you can check on www.simonajovic.com <br/> <br/>Rroma Organization <br/>Ljubomira Ivkovica Suce 29 <br/>11000 Beograd, SERBIA <br/> <br/>Le Petit Montmirail <br/>84190 Gigondas, FRANCE <br/>www.simonajovic.com <br/>manager@simonajovic.com <br/></div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 0 replies </div>

Simona JOVIC 2007-08-16T14:57:39Z Ilyena http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/c6bf02ee-f866-43eb-a0c3-adb4052d049f 2007-08-13T00:34:35Z 2007-07-28T20:49:33Z

<div>Hey all. I recently heard the song Opa Cupa and I just absolutely love it! I've been trying since yesterday to translate it but the dialect is messing me up a bit. I think it's a southern vlax dialect, which helps it make a little more sense to me, but I'm still pretty lost. Does anyone have an english translation of the song they could share? <br/> <br/>This is what I came up with so far: <br/> <br/>"Opa Cupa" <br/> <br/>Me sem gova chavoro, = I am (gova could be gava?) I hide from the boys (?) <br/> <br/>Khelav mange majlacho, = I want to dance better. (maj = more/lacho = good) <br/> <br/>Oj andale mandale, = ??? <br/> <br/>E chora man astaren. = Choro = thief? you caught me <br/> <br/>Kas me astarava, Me mange asava, = Kas? Ka = future tense in so. Vlax, so I will catch (?); I want to laugh <br/> <br/>Sem o jekh chaj ni mangel = I am the one girl he doesn’t want. I've also seen mangel translated as to beg, but I'm not sure it applies here.. <br/> <br/>Voj mande puchel = S/he asks me, <br/> <br/>O opa cupa = (loosely) „Won’t you dance.“ <br/> <br/>na ker mange chaje muka, = in the house (mange chaje muka) <br/> <br/>Ti daj ka merel ako ni kheles. = Your mother would die (if?) you do not dance. <br/> <br/>This line has me confused b/c I don’t know what ‘ako’ means. Apo is like “therefore/so” but Your mother will die so you do not dance doesn’t make sense since keles seems to be second person present tense, not imperative, which would be “khel,” as found below <br/> <br/>Lumbaj , lumbaj, lumbalaj ajde ajde ajde, <br/>Lumbaj , lumbaj, lumbalaj ajde ajde ajde. <br/> <br/>Sa e chaja kelena, = ??? <br/> <br/>Voj ni mangel te khelel, = (Lit.) She does not want and dance (?) <br/> <br/>Oj andale mandale, = ??? <br/> <br/>Mudarel man o devel. = S/he / It is killing me, Oh God! <br/> <br/>Ava Ruza ava khel = Come, Ruza, come and dance. <br/> <br/>Pa i tiro mek avel, = (Pa i) yours, let him come? <br/> <br/>Oj andale mandale = ??? <br/> <br/>E sviracha ka kelen. – can’t find ‘sviracha’ anywhere.. ka kelen = they will dance <br/> <br/>O opa cupa ... etc. <br/> <br/>Chao maj o hutalo, = ??? <br/> <br/>I Ruza so ni kelel, = Ruza what not he dances (lit.) ... maybe, why won’t she dance? <br/> <br/>Oj andale mandale = ??? <br/> <br/>an bobo ki astarel – ??? astarel = he catches <br/> <br/> <br/>Any help is appreciated! <br/> <br/>~Ilyena~</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 8 replies </div>

Ilyena 2007-07-28T20:49:33Z Carey http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/473f98ce-b25d-4937-b293-eff6198fd8ef 2007-08-12T15:27:08Z 2007-06-12T16:37:48Z

<div>Hey everyone! I just picked up a book (Used) through Amazon called "We are the Romani People". It is written by Ian Hancock. I'm not sure who the previous owned or the book was or how many owners it had. But someone wrote all through the book discrediting what the author had written. I have only had the time to flip through it and several pages someone wrote that something the author said was not true or history happened differently. <br/>So, my question to the group is this: Has any one read or heard of this book? What is your opinions of it?: Is Ian Hancock a creditable author or expert on this subject (I'm sorry I have not heard of him before, but I do see where he has written several books)? <br/> <br/>Thanks!</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 3 replies </div>

Carey 2007-06-12T16:37:48Z Luludi http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/7e7dcde8-3c26-4eed-b09e-08b75362c77a 2007-07-29T01:25:11Z 2007-06-11T19:47:26Z

<div>From the Turkish Daily News: <br/>http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=75344 <br/> <br/>And at this site scroll down to see a video clip: <br/>http://jodyasabral.blogspot.com/2007/05/reporting-from-field.html</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 1 reply </div>

Luludi 2007-06-11T19:47:26Z Viorica http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/337b36ce-20d3-4f79-9db5-fd382efd812b 2007-07-14T15:26:38Z 2007-07-14T03:38:48Z

<div>hi My name is Viorica, i just joined a couple of days ago......i am Romani, From Romania (Transilvania) <br/>its good to be here! <br/>Viorica</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 2 replies </div>

Viorica 2007-07-14T03:38:48Z Simona JOVIC http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/f5e8cbab-a864-4bd0-b48f-19bcc807641f 2007-07-02T16:41:10Z 2007-07-02T16:41:10Z

<div>Simona Jovic <br/>Authentic dances of the Rroma <br/>www.simonajovic.com <br/> <br/>Dear friends, <br/> <br/>In a few days, july 5, we will be at one month before the departure to the <br/>Romany music and dance tour in Serbia this summer, and starting that day, the <br/>bookings will be completely closed. So this is the last call for those who <br/>would like to join us in August. Serbia is my country and me and my serbian and <br/>rromany friends will be happy to welcome you. I remind you that this trip will <br/>take place between August 5 and 13, 2007 and here is one more time the resume <br/>of the programme : <br/> <br/>* Romany dance workshop - authentic rroma dances from the Balkans <br/>With Simona Jovic and romany musicians <br/> <br/>* Workshop : traditionnal dances from South of Serbia <br/>With the local folkloric dancers <br/> <br/>* A 3 days stay in Guca during the Romany brass band music festival <br/>(with the last year's winner Demiran Cerimovic) <br/> <br/>* Nights in the best rroma festivities of the Balkans! <br/> <br/>* An interesting cultural program <br/>(ethnograpic museum, historical boat ride on the Danube etc.) <br/> <br/>And a lot of other surprises...!!! <br/> <br/> <br/>You can find all the information here : http://www.simonajovic.com/v2/voyages/serbie/serbieUS.html <br/> <br/>If you have any other question, please drop me mail at contact@simonajovic.com <br/> <br/>Simona Jovic</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 0 replies </div>

Simona JOVIC 2007-07-02T16:41:10Z 3rifily http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/0fe35c9d-e086-4443-acb9-7d8b31cf74a7 2007-06-06T09:50:12Z 2007-02-27T13:30:47Z

<div>Hello! <br/> <br/>I just heard Loyko's song Gulya from road of the gypsies album and I would really want to do a choreography on it. <br/> <br/>Only problem is that I dont understand the lyrics so Im not sure of the meaning of the song.. <br/> <br/>Can anyone help?? <br/> <br/>thanks</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 5 replies </div>

3rifily 2007-02-27T13:30:47Z Simona JOVIC http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/2298ea5b-0470-439d-95ce-0857c5239ba2 2007-05-30T09:53:32Z 2007-05-30T09:53:32Z

<div>Simona Jovic <br/>Dances of the Rroma <br/>www.simonajovic.com <br/> <br/> <br/>Dear friends, <br/> <br/>I am leaving in a few days to Serbia, to see my family, to see my Rroma friends <br/>and of course, prepare everything for the Serbian rromany music and dance tour <br/>that I organise in august. A lot of people contacted me for this trip and I am <br/>very happy to see that people are finally opened to visit these countries ad to <br/>meet Rroma as they are! They will be very happy to welcome everyone who is truly <br/>interested in their culture. So if you wish to join us for this trip, please let <br/>me know as soon as possible. I prepared for you a lot of fun : dancing with the <br/>rroma musicians, going out to some very funny places, cultural visits and of <br/>course a stay in Guca during the famous Guca brass band rromany festival. <br/>There, we will have the great Demiran Cerimovic (Rroma from south of Serbia, the <br/>last year's winner) playing just for us! This trip will take place between <br/>August 5 and 13, 2007. <br/> <br/>For those who can't come to Serbia and wish to hear Demiran Cerimovic, it is <br/>possible in july in Western Europe! We will be playing in Belgium (for the <br/>national hollidays) and France (Escoeuilles first and at Avignon Festival <br/>then). We still have a date available between july 15th and 19th. If you would <br/>like to invite us, here is your chance to do it without paying the travel <br/>costs! We present together the rromany music and dances from the Balkans. Nine <br/>musicians and myself (singing and of course dancing). <br/> <br/>And finally, I decided not to continue teaching for a long time anymore. I have <br/>other plans and finally, these dances are difficult to teach. How to explain to <br/>people something they you don't explain, that you feel only? But I still have a <br/>few upcoming workshops, the next one is Athens where I will be teaching the rromany dance from Rajasthan and Egypt and then in Paris on june 23 and 24.. I will teach 4 <br/>differents workshops, rroma dances from Rajasthan, Turkey, Serbia and Central Europe. You are welcome to book your places. <br/> <br/>For any information, you can contact me at contact@simonajovic.com <br/> <br/>Devlesa, <br/> <br/>Simona Jovic <br/> <br/> <br/>Upcoming dates : <br/> <br/> <br/>Athens - GREECE <br/>June 16 and 17, 2007 <br/> <br/> <br/>Paris - FRANCE <br/>June 23 adn 24, 2007 <br/> <br/> <br/>Escoeuilles - FRANCE <br/>With Demiran Cerimovic <br/>July 14, 2007 <br/> <br/> <br/>Surdulica - SERBIA <br/>Demiran Cerimovic <br/>July 8 to 10, 2007 <br/> <br/> <br/>Escoeilles - FRANCE <br/>With Demiran Cerimovic <br/>July 14, 2007 <br/> <br/> <br/>Aubange- BELGIUM <br/>With Demiran Cerimovic <br/>July 20 and 21, 2007 <br/> <br/> <br/>Avignon - FRANCE <br/>With Demiran Cerimovic (Avignon Festival) <br/>July 24, 2007 <br/> <br/> <br/>Belgrade, Guca - SERBIA <br/>August 5 to 13, 2007 <br/> <br/> <br/>Timisoara - ROMANIA <br/>"So keres Europe?" International Romani Art Festival <br/>August 31, 2007 <br/> <br/> <br/>Ohrid - MACEDONIA <br/>International Rromany Festival (Feryd) <br/>September 1 to 7, 2007 <br/> <br/> <br/>Caen - FRANCE <br/>Festival Visages d'Orient <br/>November 17 and 18, 2007 <br/> <br/> <br/>Calendar 2008 coming soon..... <br/></div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 0 replies </div>

Simona JOVIC 2007-05-30T09:53:32Z Luludi http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/403c13e8-e8aa-4276-9257-07acd06b5fb8 2007-05-24T18:46:04Z 2007-05-24T18:46:04Z

<div>For those of you who have LJ accounts, there is a great new community on Romani Music, especially good for those who have high-speed internet connections. <br/> <br/>http://community.livejournal.com/gypsy_music/profile (The Community Profile Page) <br/> <br/>http://community.livejournal.com/gypsy_music/ (The Community Journal)</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 0 replies </div>

Luludi 2007-05-24T18:46:04Z foolfaerie420 http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/978e407d-de8b-461c-8fa7-e1e31e4a2cb5 2007-05-10T15:00:39Z 2007-05-10T15:00:39Z

<div>Currently the One Laptop Per Child program is accepting applications 5/31 for grassroots applications on the new system. <br/>http://www.laptop.org/ <br/>This round I am working on learning some of the existing applications like sqeak <br/>http://www.squeak.org/ <br/>and even better scratch <br/>http://scratch.mit.edu/ <br/> <br/>Please contact me if you are involved with an organization that could help to insure Rroma children are included in this important project which will bring laptop systems designed to engage the learner directly in the process of computing, and allow children to share work and educational spaces with each other, teachers, the OLPC and the internet. For over thirty years since we first began dreaming about the "dynabook" we have created everything from the internet to laptops in order to administer this innovative educational system to children everywhere.The key is direct learning and transparency of system. In many ways this project is uniquely suited to the Rroma, and I would love to see as many people involved as possible worldwide making sure that Rroma children receive the laptops that will allow them to participate in the educational program. <br/>=</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 0 replies </div>

foolfaerie420 2007-05-10T15:00:39Z podp http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/bfc5a188-fee6-4425-915f-c41a4e16200d 2007-05-04T08:03:08Z 2007-05-04T08:03:08Z

<div>hey roma friends, <br/> <br/>looking fwd to seeing everyone again at the festival. <br/>btw, anyone have any pics from last year ? ... <br/>i wanted to post something on a couple sites, to give ppl a flavor of all the fun <br/>but couldn't find anything. <br/> <br/>anyways, <br/>c ya There ! <br/>pod</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 0 replies </div>

podp 2007-05-04T08:03:08Z Catherine http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/56cc6655-c7f5-462e-aefa-36b4f54ac1e7 2007-04-19T14:12:01Z 2007-04-19T14:12:01Z

<div>Hi and bartali :) <br/> I want to make a film here in Ireland about the roma people here and I want to do so with as much sensitivity as possible, with regards to roma issues... Can anybosy suggest some issues that should be highlighted or avoided? Thanks, <br/>Catherine x</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 0 replies </div>

Catherine 2007-04-19T14:12:01Z John http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/95dd4663-8b8f-4a32-a115-c0fb712866d7 2007-04-08T20:51:46Z 2007-02-10T20:01:52Z

<div>Hello <br/>I've visited Istanbul several times, but never Sulukule. Read the sad news that there are plans to "redevelop". Can one still hear the traditional music [i saw Selim Sesler at Babylon and really enjoyed the evening] in that area? If so where can I find out more information? <br/>John</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 9 replies </div>

John 2007-02-10T20:01:52Z julia_voiceofroma http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/b754cca9-8ad6-4cac-8294-0084ab291e91 2007-03-31T15:18:29Z 2007-03-24T17:31:37Z

<div>Voice of Roma present: <br/>INTERNATIONAL ROMA DAY <br/>FRIDAY, APRIL 6th • 7:30PM <br/>CROATIAN AMERICAN CULTURAL CENTER <br/>60 Onondaga Ave., San Francisco <br/>$15 entrance <br/>Live Music &amp; Dancing with: <br/>ÉDESSA • RUMEN SALI SHOPOV with special guests <br/>CHRIS BAJMAKOVIC &amp; PETAR VODENOV <br/>DANCE INSTRUCTION WITH SANI RIFATI <br/>ACCORDION &amp; CLARINET LESSONS BY APPOINTMENT WITH MASTER MUSICIANS <br/>CHRIS BAJMAKOVIC &amp; PETAR VODENOV <br/>Call/email to schedule lessons for April 5 or 6 <br/>Authentic Romani/Balkan dinner plate on sale for $10 <br/> <br/>Voice of Roma <br/>P.O. Box 514, <br/> Sebastopol, CA 95473 <br/>707. 823.7941 <br/>Website: www.voiceofroma.com <br/>E-mail: voiceofroma@comcast.net <br/>International Roma Day is sponsored by the Croation American Cultural Center <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/>Come and Celebrate <br/>INTERNATIONAL ROMA DAY <br/> <br/>All proceeds benefit the Roma of Kosovo <br/>SUNDAY, APRIL 1st, 6:00 PM <br/>104 North Avenue 56 (near Figueroa St.) <br/>Los Angeles, CA <br/>¬ Entrance $20.00 <br/> <br/>Live Music &amp; Dancing <br/>with <br/>Danny Fender &amp; Sam Marks <br/>American Romani Band <br/> <br/>Barry Fisher / Bando Banitsa <br/>Baro Masho <br/> <br/>DANCE INSTRUCTION/LECTURE WITH <br/>SANI RIFATI <br/>TRADITIONAL ROMANI DANCES FROM MACEDONIA, KOSOVO, SERBIA, TURKEY, BULGARIA, <br/>ALBANIA AND PRESENTATION ON ROMA MIGRATION, HISTORY, ³GYPSY² STEREOTYPES, <br/>VIDEO SCREENING, AND MORE! <br/> <br/> <br/>Authentic Romani/Balkan dinner plate on sale for $10.00 <br/>Also on sale, CDs, handcrafts, literature, and more <br/> <br/>Go to www.voiceofroma.com <br/>to reserve tickets, register for workshops, volunteer, and obtain more <br/>information. <br/>You may also email voiceofroma@comcast.net <br/>For ticket reservation, please call Paul Steven at (626) 627-9298 or (310) <br/>820-3527 <br/> <br/>Can¹t come? Your donations are tax-deductible. <br/>Send checks to Voice of Roma, P.O. Box 514, Sebastopol, CA 95473 <br/> <br/></div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 3 replies </div>

julia_voiceofroma 2007-03-24T17:31:37Z http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/58939ae5-0b71-45b6-95de-d5162cd55536 2007-03-30T17:02:44Z 2007-03-30T17:02:44Z

<div>I attended this festival on the 24th of March, and I have to admit, it was fabulous! <br/> <br/>Paco Fonta from Miami organised it... you can check out his website at www.siempreflamenco.com and hear him and his wife, Celia, perform. Also, you can google pacofonta at youtube to see a few videos of Eva and Maria Montilla sing Cante Jondo. <br/> <br/>I was able to meet the performers since my friend (DJ Rama) helped out at the event and we got to go to the after party, which had better music and dance than the show in my opinion. </div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 0 replies </div>

2007-03-30T17:02:44Z Kostana http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/aed7d73a-2fbb-4bb6-8ebb-ba7c2364c971 2007-03-12T20:57:55Z 2007-03-12T20:57:55Z

<div>1) JUST ANNOUNCED! – We have added a TURKISH ROMANI teacher to the schedule. <br/>Reyhan Tuzsuz will be coming from Turkey to teach traditional Turkish Rom <br/>dances. She teaches at most of the major dance camps in Turkey including Folktours, Eva <br/>Cernik's camp and Hadia's Turkey tour. She is real Roma, and this is her first time <br/>ever leaving Turkey to teach! She does not speak English, and one of her students, Jennet <br/>will be traveling with her to assist. Here is a great youtube clip of Jennet (blonde in <br/>black skirt) dancing with Turkish band…. <br/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZlV5D12RlU <br/> <br/>2) For those of you who don't already know Seido and Ismail (Smajko) Lumanovski, <br/>both of whom are teaching and performing at the festival here are two youtube clips: <br/>Smajko (with Seido, Yuri &amp; Husnu): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEFY9zRsY6g <br/>Seido's drum solo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkkdHXTwI_c <br/> <br/>If you want to see a truly amazing band, don't miss Romski Boji! They will be <br/>playing both Turkish &amp; Macedonian Romani music. You will recognize the Turkish songs for <br/>bellydance as well as folkdance. <br/>Also, the Balkanics will be playing and they do everything from Layco Tayfa to Bulgarian wedding music! <br/>Here's a youtube clip of them doing an Armenian tune: <br/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu0fkkDbGtc <br/> <br/>3) The following Vendors are confirmed for Herdeljezi Festival 2007: Touch the <br/>Earth, Father Dunn's Jewelery (ethnographic jewellwery, textiles &amp; garments), <br/>Marrakesh, &amp; Sharifwear, plus traditional Rom music &amp; instruments for sale! Henna by Dark <br/>Moon Arts! <br/> <br/>4) We have added a Group Discount for groups of 5 or more people who sign up <br/>together for a FULL DAY PASS! You must preregister to receive this discount. Please see <br/>details at: www.wmfolklifecenter.org <br/>or www.raks-n-rhythms.com/festival <br/> <br/>5) We also decided to extend the Early Bird Discount to March 31! See website <br/>for details. <br/> <br/>6) We now have a yahoo group: <br/>http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/wmfolklifecenter/ <br/>and tribe: http://tribes.tribe.net/wmfolklifecenter <br/>These are primarily for out of town folks coming to our events who want to <br/>exchange rideshare information, but anyone can join! Also please pass on to your out of <br/>town <br/>friends! <br/> <br/>Thanks &amp; Happy Dancing, <br/>Kostana</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma">Voice of Roma</a> - 0 replies </div>

Kostana 2007-03-12T20:57:55Z bobstad http://tribes.tribe.net/voiceofroma/thread/a229b646-6ad4-4465-be21-b31f641e837d 2007-03-10T23:44:54Z 2007-03-10T23:44:54Z

<div>About ten years ago I discovered my mother's family were Rromani from Europe who'd arrived in Chicago sometime after the civil war and before 1900. This was a huge surprise to me since before then her "Bohemian" ancestry had been of little importance other than an aside seemingly during the one time in my life she'd told me about herself when I'd tape recorded a four hour conversation between us for an oral history project in '73. <br/> <br/>Since this discovery I've gotten involved with Shani Rifati a little who a friend had chanced to meet I'd told of this then new knowledge of mine.(he is president of Voice of Roma, who is a Kosovoan Rromani refugee who fled to Italy in '88) But, I'm also aware of a periphery of aquaintences seemingly perhaps all of my life, who like me seem to perhaps be of a similar ancestry to mine. I do know that in 1885 the first federal anit-Gypsy law came to be, which then required deportation so that I imagine my mother's family had to disguise their identities. She'd been raped and orphaned at the age of twelve and suffered mental illness most of her life, including electro-shock twice before I was ten so severe she said it took six months merely to remember her own name. <br/> <br/>After I left Evergreen College in Olympia, WA I ended up part of a communal yoga study group calling itself then Antahkarana Circle of Healers, that were a group of indigent transients all with some degree of education who were trying to support themselves doing orchard work who were interested in yoga and who early each summer every year produced a gathering that drew around a thousand people over a three day weekend. Several people I got to know then openly identified as Gypsys, and since finding out this is also my own ancestry I've often thought many others drawn there as I was might very likely be similar. Lately I've found this area around Tonasket, WA is one known as a place where Gypsys do live, so that all the more intrigues me. <br/> <br/>I like the Sebastapol Herdeljezi Festivals Shani and his wife Carol Bloom organise along with others, to help try to benefit Kosovaon Rromani. But, I still feel out of place and am almost lucky to have some problems with my right foot from an injury I did May of '97 sitting on my heels playing my alto sa