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i need to read some good fiction, my friends. sci-fi particularly. it's such a stab in the dark though as a genre, so much characterless shit mixed in with the visionary delights. anyone read any delany? i tried dhalgren and loved it but shit it was depressing. oh yeah, no dystopian nightmares for me. i've done my share. any recommendations would be appreciated!
i recommend octavia butler's "mind of my mind" to anyone who has not read it. it's a great gateway into her work.
i recommend octavia butler's "mind of my mind" to anyone who has not read it. it's a great gateway into her work.
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Re: good sci-fi?
Mon, August 4, 2008 - 8:20 PMken macleod
www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/m/ke...leod/
charles stross
www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/s/ch...ross/
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Mon, August 4, 2008 - 9:41 PMi dare to be a demanding boy and ask that you guys give me titles as well! like, your favorites. the ones that got you to believe in that author.
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Mon, August 4, 2008 - 8:48 PMit's old, but "Ender's Game" is still one of my absolute favorites. there's 3 or 4 newer versions of this story too, written from the viewpoint of the various characters in it. all of them are great, tho i only recommend the first 3 of the original series (speaker for the dead + xenocide.)
also Card's "7th son" series (the 1st 3 anyway) which is about colonial america, only with weird powers and odd historical tangents thrown in. both these series are all about the characters, and really, really good writing.
tidbits i happen to have saved:
Everybody has his talent, everybody has his gift from God, and we go about sharing gifts with each other; that's the way of the world, the best way.
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You'll never know joy except through following the path laid out before you by what is inside you.
~ Orson Scott Card, The Seventh Son
and if you've read those, go back to raymond chandler. you can't lose. -
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Mon, August 4, 2008 - 9:40 PMi've read orson scott card, all the ones you mention. he is like soda to read, i love it, but maybe a little burping! hehe, the ender's series gets good again with the last one, by the way, if you didn't make it that far. it's fantastic!
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Tue, August 5, 2008 - 9:00 AMchandler: the little sister.
robert anton wilson used to make haiku out of chandler sentences. his economy of his (chandler's) language is wonderful.
She smelled the way
The Taj Mahal looks
By moonlight
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Tue, August 5, 2008 - 4:49 PMi thought chandler wrote mysteries! sci-fi, too? you're not thinking of that other ray, are you? -
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Wed, August 6, 2008 - 8:59 AMchandler wrote mysteries. i'm just recommending him on great writing, not for sci-fi. -
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 2:21 AMlet's not forget the lone wolf starchild, ronald chevalier:
ronaldchevalier.com/
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 5:33 PMWhich of Chevalier's books is your favorite? -
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 6:23 PMDo you actually have a copy of this book? Where did you get it? -
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 7:03 PMhis works are very very rare, charles. i don't think you're going to have much luck finding a copy...
did you hear the audio excerpt? -
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 10:25 PMYeah, listened. Very, very, very rare - never heard of such a thing ;-) -
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Fri, August 8, 2008 - 12:17 AMhahahaha! jemaine clement is a comic genius. he's the guy with the glasses in "flight of the conchords." this is a character from his new movie directed by the guy who made napolean dynamite.
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Mon, August 4, 2008 - 9:43 PMYes, 'Ender's Game' was a good one. A couple of others that took me for a ride were:
Asimov's trilogy
Richard Morgan's 'Altered Carbon'
And of couse 'Dune' and Stranger in a Strange Land'
'Snow Crash' by Neal Stephenson
'Timescape' by Gregory Benford
'Neuromancer' by Neil Stephenson
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Mon, August 4, 2008 - 9:44 PMCorrection...
Neuromancer by William Gibson -
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Tue, August 5, 2008 - 4:49 PMcharles, have you seen the movie "no maps for these territories"? it's truly great. i love bill gibson. he's huggable. -
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Tue, August 5, 2008 - 6:47 PMNo, I haven't... but I'll get the CD.
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Tue, August 5, 2008 - 8:32 PMDarwin's Radio by Greg Bear. -
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Tue, August 5, 2008 - 9:35 PMwe had greg bear over at the evolution tribe for a discussion starting from "darwin's radio"! he's a personal non-personal cyber acquaintance of mine (along with a few thousand other people)...
bioevolution.tribe.net/thread...3b21791
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Tue, August 5, 2008 - 9:36 PMoops, ambiguous grammar:
"(along with a few thousand other people)... "
i meant HE has a few thousand other such acquaintances, not i.
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Tue, August 5, 2008 - 11:25 PMThat certainly was a classic. I also liked his 'Eon' and 'The Forge of God'. What an imagination this guy has. -
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Tue, August 5, 2008 - 11:57 PMhave you read bear's "vitals"? it is his oft-missed-gem and most appropriately timed with this T. gondii scare i have spread... it is a helluva a ride, actually more like an experience than a book! -
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Wed, August 6, 2008 - 6:02 AMCharles mentioned Robert Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land" -- I would throw in another Heinlein classic: "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress":
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Wed, August 6, 2008 - 6:34 AMMy favorite book by Ken MacLeod so far is 'Learning the World'
A four hundred year journey through space is about to end for the teeming inhabitants of a large ship-world. The air is thick with expectation as they enter the system that is to become their new home, the probes reporting nothing more advanced than bacteria and algae among the clustered planets. But the original data was wrong, and direct scans of the planet reveal a whole alien civilization. Maybe the aliens have just arrived. Maybe evolution has been incredibly rapid during their long journey ... Neither of these explanations seem plausible. It seems likely that the probe data has been falsified from the beginning. Advice is years distant, help is decades away. They're on their own and they'll have to decide a plan of action fast as the rest of humanity is just as vulnerable and not much further away.
Two reviews: www.strangehorizons.com/review...t.shtml
Excerpt from 'Learning the World' by Ken MacLeod
kenmacleod.blogspot.com/
It was turning into a big day for flash meditation. Much more of this and she might attain flash enlightenment.
"You realize what you've done?" she demanded. "Do you have the faintest conception of the harm this will cause?"
Constantine nodded. "The disruption will be immense. It'll destroy the entire slave economy."
"But they're not slaves!" Synchronic said. "If they had been, I could see why we might want to interfere. But you've taken what are by your own admission mute brutes, and given them language. Deep grammar. Self-awareness. Human consciousness, You've made them slaves."
"Yes," said the Oldest Man. "Slaves that will try to free themselves."
Synchronic had already shown him the breakout she had witnessed. She flashed him a pointer to the file.
"Like that?" she said. "When these poor creatures become aware of what they are and what has been done to them, they will suffer terribly. They will flee, they will fight-kill their owners-"
Constantine agreed again. "That may all happen," he said. "The owners have it coming."
Synchronic just stared at him. "How can you say that? How can you be so destructive?"
"We didn't do this to be destructive," said Constantine. "We did it to reduce suffering, and to increase intelligence."
"The suffering of brutes? When did that become urgent?"
The last time I visited you," said Constantine, "you were showing the kids the meat and milk machine. Why don't we just raise and slaughter cattle?"
"Hah!" said Synchronic. "Convenience."
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Wed, August 6, 2008 - 7:06 AMYes, that is good too. I also liked the 'ware' trilogy - Software; Wetware; Freeware - by Rudy Rucker. Especially the part where the robots get shut down by a mold.
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Thu, October 16, 2008 - 8:32 PMGreg Bear; "The forge of God", is great, and is really begging to become a movie or miniseries. So is his "Moving Mars".
But by far my favourite contemporary SF writer is Iain M Banks. He's a Scott, he's a liberal humanist, he writes these great rollicking space operas that are immensely funny at times, and yet at the same time pretty hard SF and touches on serious political and philosophical issues (particularly the status of AIs). He's very well known in the UK, but for some reason not so well known in North America. And can be quite dark at times.
His Culture series is the classic. You could start with "Consider Phlebas" if you want to go from the start, but my favourite of the Culture series novels, in no particular order, are "Excession", "Look to Windward" and "Against a Dark Background" (dark indeed). The Culture is Bank's Utopia, a post-scarcity culture of liberal hedonism, looked after by benevolent (mostly) "minds" (AI's).
My all-time favourite of his is his non-Culture SF "The Algebraist", was runner up in the Hugos in 2005 (and lost to crappy "Jonathan Strange" which is not even SF and is practically unreadable to boot). I read the whole (long) thing and then straight away read it over again it was so fn good. His most recent is "Matter", also a Culture novel, which is good but not as good as the Algebraist. My recommendation would be start with Algebraist, and if it hooks you (which I bet it will) start in on the Culture series.
No kidding, but Iain M Banks I count as one of those Good Things that makes life worth living (along with good sex and good food), and look forward to each of his new books with great anticipation. -
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Fri, October 17, 2008 - 9:26 AMyep, i'm putting it on my bookmobile list. thanks!
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Fri, October 17, 2008 - 10:06 PMThere are very few of his books not worth reading. I'd skip "inversions". Otherwise they are pretty much all-good.
Note of warning: the Algebraist is LONG, almost Wagnerian. It's a commitment. Perhaps start with "Look to windward"? A shorter read to ease you into the Banksverse.
I remember reading the Neuromancer series when they were first published. This was long before the internet. Visionary.
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Fri, October 17, 2008 - 10:41 PM"Note of warning: the Algebraist is LONG"
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Sat, October 18, 2008 - 5:56 AMWhile Star Wars has not been thought to be too cerebral, some of the authors filling in the gaps are pretty good, they just get a bad rep for working on "cheesy" stuff. -
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Mon, October 20, 2008 - 5:41 PMi've read over 40 star wars books. my sharing this with you is an indicator of my feeling safe in this environment.
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