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1.) I've brought up this topic a number of times. Charles expressed interest in it.
2.) The topic of spoon bending to me relates with the concept of Willful Ignorance.
I've personally bent quit a few spoons and forks using energy. When I focus red energy into the spoon, it becomes soft, very soft to the point that it feels loose... even more loose than a soft paper clip. Then I just start twisting and turning it. Shortly after it gets hard again and the bending stops. The amount of bending has to do with how much energy I put into it. I've also noticed that it's not easy for me to do it around people who are asking me to do it, or coming from a place of doubt. I was able to do it in a group where I learned to do this, though I wasn't able to do it by myself. After some meditative work on myself, I removed doubt, and also gave myself the energy of "self acknowledgment" after this I've been able to do it by myself easily so long as I'm in a somewhat energy sensitive or relaxed mode which is more than 80% of the time for me.
I also noticed that if I use white energy and tried to bend a spoon or fork, it cracks like glass. Using other vibrations that are purple/blue/green (I actually see the color of the energy I output and can control their vibration, intensity) nothing happens to the metal.
I have been so far unable to make it bend without actually using my fingers to bend it. Some folks do this, I haven't learned yet though fully believe it is possible.
My desire for this has been with my efforts in trying to bridge the energetic realm with the physical and create a bridge of understanding at least for my own self.
Additionally, I would also like to share this link of a person named Jack Houck www.jackhouck.com/
Jack has been able to do this bending by will without touching it. He has been teaching people to do this for many years, and is of a aeronautics/mechanics/engineering background. He has made a study of this by taking magnified photographs and made his best attempts to present data at a scientific level. I feel for those interested, that would be a good link to start with.
Kindly,
Ramiel
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Re: Spoon bending
Fri, August 1, 2008 - 2:08 AMMy offer is still open...
"You or anyone else can meet me for dinner. I'll bring a spoon and put it on the table. If you (without touching it) can bend or levitate the spoon, or cause it to change color or vaporize or something - then dinner is on me at the restaurant of your choice." -
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Fri, August 1, 2008 - 8:10 AMI'll take "What is Mu" for $400... -
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Fri, August 1, 2008 - 12:40 PMMu is a zen concept suggesting nothingness or absence (doesn't translate perfectly into English). One of the more famous zen koans goes like this:
A monk asked Joshu whether a dog has the Buddha nature. Joshu answered "mu." What is 'mu'?
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Fri, August 1, 2008 - 3:13 PM
Mu...
the ancient pond
a frog jumps
bloop
bloop here has same meaning as bloop
it is the freedom beyond causality, that nothingness, that truth
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Sat, November 8, 2008 - 12:26 PMMU? As in Mu metal? Don't need mind to bend that stuff..any of you ever see Mu metal?
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Re: Spoon bending
Fri, August 1, 2008 - 8:10 AM
I'll take "What is Mu" for $400...
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Re: Spoon bending
Fri, August 1, 2008 - 3:15 PM
Charles, either you are not reading what I wrote... since if you had you would have understood that I don't bend spoons that way, and the way the situation for me bending spoons is being setup isn't an enviornment where my being has any desire to bend a spoon for you. I tried to convey the nature where these events can happen. Or, you are just trying to be silly and remain "willfully ignorant?"
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Fri, August 1, 2008 - 6:04 PM"Jack has been able to do this bending by will without touching it. He has been teaching people to do this for many years"
It's time for you or Jack to step up to the plate. Either you can do it or you can't. There's no gray area. -
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Fri, August 1, 2008 - 6:33 PMtake me to dinner and i'll bend a mu for you.
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Mon, August 4, 2008 - 9:46 AMhurts so good, honey, hurts so good.
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Tue, August 19, 2008 - 7:24 PMCharles, et al,
>It's time for you or Jack to step up to the plate
Pardon me for butting in. I attended Jack Houcks last spoon-bending party, an event which he alone invented for the purpose of investingating the modality of the phenomenon. Jack expended 25 years conducting his study. I've not discussed with him his work, so I can not disclose it to you all (babblers, skeptics and true-blue-believers alike).
Myself, I'm also a scientist, different discipline than that of Jack Houck, no matter really, for if one's mind is closed or certain only of what is 'known' then nothing short of death will change it for you. Death is the ultimate release from mind-sets...and trust me, we all change, life-time-after-life-time, else we would not evolve from the hairy lower forms to our current self-important all knowing exalted selves in which we find ourselves, in my opinion.
In Jack's last 'party', standing room only at a commercial gathering hall in Orange County earlier this year, there were every size, shape, age and gender of Human present. It was a fucking mad-house. Jack pulled out a bunch of Kreskin style pendulums and taught everyone how to find the NO and YES movements and then had everyone pendulum a pile of spoons, forks, crowbars, rebar, pipes...stuff, to find the articles which would bend for the individual. After awhile, he had everyone chanting together while holding the article of focus, "BEND, BEND, BEND" and on and on and on and on ad nausuem. It was a loud fucking mad house and then shit started happening, Bending, shreiking, and hollering and laughing, God what a fucking party...bedlam. I came away from it all with a very different perspective. I was somewhat disappointed because nothing bent for me personally, but I saw bunches of things bend, crack, drip, explode..Christ you wouldn't believe what was happening in that room. I saw hundreds of people do it, and interestingly, I'll bet that few if any can do it alone... Something about telepathic-overlay of the mentor/facilitator type thing.
From the skeptics perspective, "how convenient", but in qp, the observer alters reality, via quantum entanglement...another name for autonomous-cognition in physicality. The telepathic-overlay phenomenon is well documented, a good place to research info, is the
Society for Scientific Exploration (SSE) and their (scientific peer reviewed journal) Journal for Scientific Exploration (JSE).
I've share that with the skeptics so can get off butt and do some actual research...somethings can not be rationalized using internal logic or what can be seen on TV. There is much known about this and similar subjects.
that's my 4 cents, like it or not.
tron
ps..The mind-blower for me was the little kid who bent the chair leg.
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Re: Spoon bendingFri, August 1, 2008 - 6:04 PM
"Jack has been able to do this bending by will without touching it. He has been teaching people to do this for many years"
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Tue, August 19, 2008 - 8:28 PMsounds interesting. so, let's offer jack the cool million! i'm sure we could set up a situation with a lot of people and telepathic-overlay and the whole bit. jack could use the money however he pleases. i'm sure we could accommodate any situation he'd need, so long as the acts are verifiable independently and withstand the scrutiny of a master magician or two.
tron, can you arrange this? is jack aware of the paranormal challenge? $1,000,000 is no joke, and could be used for a lot of good in the world.
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Tue, August 19, 2008 - 8:49 PM"in qp, the observer alters reality, via quantum entanglement...another name for autonomous-cognition in physicality."
tron, can you explain how this works? i wasn't aware of physicists showing that entanglement was going on with macro objects in relation to brains.
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Thu, August 21, 2008 - 5:44 PM"...if one's mind is closed or certain only of what is 'known' ..."
tron-ee, quite the contrary, although I've never seen anyone bend a spoon, I'm actually quite open to seeing it happen. It's my understanding that Jack lives just a a few miles from me, so maybe you or Only-Now could set this up at a local restaurant - even Chez Panisse in Berkeley if that suits your fancy. If Jack pulls this off with the spoon I bring without touching it, then I'll treat the entire table - and to some really good food. And, believe me, that would be one dinner I'd love to pay for.
I'll even bring my new Canon PowerShot A710IS. The 'IS' is for image stabilization, so we'll get nice crisp shots of the whole affair, and I'll be able to post pictures here for our tribe members. Also, blue-jay might be out of town at burning man and I wouldn't want him to miss any of this. And, who knows, sulevay might even show up. She's been threatening for a while now to teach me how to bend a mu. Looks like a potential double whammy. I''m already going nuts. -
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Thu, August 21, 2008 - 7:34 PMlet's do it! i'm skipping the burn this year, tho my schedule is still a bit nuts these days. - must plan ahead!
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Fri, August 22, 2008 - 5:54 PMwill do sulevay, for real. thanks for connecting the dots!
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Fri, August 22, 2008 - 8:59 AMI would like to see this, I'll bring money for my own dinner.
I do not think Charles is paying for anyone's dinner.
I can balance two forks with a quarter on the edge of a glass.
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Fri, August 22, 2008 - 1:25 PMI might drive up from Santa Cruz for this one. Especially if Charles is paying!
Regrettably the only 'weird thing' I can do is balance a salt shaker on some salt, and I'm not even very consistent at that. -
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Fri, August 22, 2008 - 8:00 PM"Regrettably the only 'weird thing' I can do is balance a salt shaker on some salt, and I'm not even very consistent at that."
Don't worry about it VoodooChild, it's just a matter of learning how to align yourself with 'The Force'. Be patient, give it some time. -
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Fri, August 22, 2008 - 9:05 PMI know, Charles. It's just that sometimes it's hard to focus. And sometimes I'm tempted by the Dark Side. Every once in awhile I can take a bite out of a quarter. -
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Fri, August 22, 2008 - 10:43 PMthe magic of the actual is slick
zeno's paradox in reverse
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Fri, August 22, 2008 - 10:44 PMis it zeno or xeno? i vote we force him to spell it with an x because it is so wicked cool -
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Fri, August 22, 2008 - 10:48 PMxerxes is a cool greek name. it's in the running for me as a child of mine's name, but don't tell my girlfriend... this is a delicate campaign i am running over here
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Fri, August 22, 2008 - 10:51 PMi say since xerxes is greek and has x's in it, that means xeno could have an x and therefore should have an x. this argument is perfectly valid if you map it in symbolic logic on some universe in the multiverse. he is also dead, and cannot complain, and has been dead so long that no relative could really care, so i think right here and now we can settline on xeno with an x. -
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Fri, August 22, 2008 - 10:54 PMwe are fucked. the movement is destroyed. google and wikipedia both say it's with a z, so that means the president and vice president agree, and so we have to back down. Hail Google, the True Omniscient One!
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Fri, August 22, 2008 - 5:54 PMi can balance a full glass of water on the edge of a dollar bill!
why don't we have a dinner party even if the spoonbenders bail?
oh, also, i am having a party on 9/13!!! my lady naomix is back in town and wants to meet you all!!! and here's another chance for the no-shows from last time to stop by. respondez s'il vous plait? i will send you the details privately if yes. -
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Sat, August 23, 2008 - 7:30 PMindeed. blue-j is sliding into pre-burn fever, looks like. remedial action must be taken. -
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Sat, August 23, 2008 - 8:02 PMyour diagnosis is quite correct, madam -
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Thu, October 16, 2008 - 8:48 PMI'm sure that some of those who bend spoons in this way really believe that there is something special happening (as opposed to hoaxers like Uri Geller). However the fact that they have to touch the spoon is instructive.
My hypothesis is that there's a disconnect between the amount of force actually applied to the spoon and the feedback that the bender is experiencing, leaving the bender to believe that they are applying less force than they actually are. This would be simply a psychological phenomenon (much like a sound of a fixed volume can sound loud in some circumstances and very quiet in others, or a stimulation can feel pleasurable in some circumstances and painfull in others (those into S&M raise their hands)).
So nothing woo-woo going on here, but an element of (unconscious) self-deception. if we could put a force transducer on the fingertips of the bender we might be able to get proof of this hypothesis, but chances are such intervention would mess with the bender's subconscious psychology. -
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Fri, October 17, 2008 - 12:38 AMYou're right; people *believe* something is happening. I recently went to a spoon bending session at a local restaurant. Fortunately, for everyone involved the spoons were pretty flimsy. Hmmm, the thought I had was that it might be actually possible to bend one of these lightweights by just looking at it ;-)
Well, the person across from me took his spoon and with both hands began manipulating the spoon and after about 30 seconds placed a spoon on the table that had been coiled about five times near the weak point, the spoon's neck. My first thought that he was kidding; that he really expected me to believe he had done something out of the ordinary. Then he said, "feel the heat where it was bent". I felt it, and of course the metal was warm where the metal had been stressed. Clearly, though, the fellow was convinced he had channeled energy into the spoon, causing the metal to soften. I mildly expressed my disbelief that something out of the ordinary had happened, but I didn't have the heart to really push the issue.
But, I too took a spoon, held it under the table and and twirled the spoon at the neck about five or six times and set it down on the table next to his. They both came out looking almost identical, and after handling both of them, I couldn't tell one from the other. It was made clear to me that what I was doing was *very* different from what he had accomplished - in that I had used force. Again, I didn't push the issue. -
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Mon, October 20, 2008 - 6:04 PM"Clearly, though, the fellow was convinced he had channeled energy into the spoon, causing the metal to soften"
the irony here is that indeed, the fellow had channeled energy into the spoon. people need to recognize how magical the everyday is. we don't need to make up shit to be stunned. -
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Mon, October 20, 2008 - 7:59 PMYou're sooooo right. But regardless, that's what happens of its own free will.
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Wed, October 22, 2008 - 6:34 PM>we don't need to make up shit to be stunned. <
right on, blue-j!
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Fri, August 22, 2008 - 7:54 PM"I do not think Charles is paying for anyone's dinner."
Now, Curry...
Think lovely thoughts... Think lovely thoughts... And away will you go!
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Sat, November 8, 2008 - 12:58 PMCharles,
i observed a six year old at one of Jack Houck's (recently retired from hosting spoon-bending parties...has collected sufficient data for his 20 yr scientific study), 'parties'. The child bent the legs on a metal chair. I was unable to bend anything, yet I KNOW it is possible. I have seen my Mother levitate articles and stand simultaneously in two locations. Believe it, don't believe, I can care less..its your problem.
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Re: Spoon bending
Fri, August 1, 2008 - 6:04 PM
"Jack has been able to do this bending by will without touching it. He has been teaching people to do this for many years"
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Sat, November 8, 2008 - 3:01 PMTron, your knowing doesn't help me really. As I said, I have an open invite to anyone - free dinner to anyone anywhere in the bay area - if things don't turn out - no big deal; we'll all just go Dutch.
I'd love to see the kid; though have one of his parents bring him. As for your mother, course, she's welcome too. A hit of levitation would certainly make my evening.
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Fri, August 1, 2008 - 6:59 PMi extend again the offer of $1,000,000 to jack or anyone to perform this feat under independent observation. no joke. -
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Re: Spoon bending
Fri, August 1, 2008 - 7:57 PM
Jeff and Charles,
What I've been trying to communicate is that by the very nature of how these actions happen, it makes it almost impossible to do it in a "controlled" enviornment.
For example, when doing it for the sake of showing it to another person it won't work; just because this phenomena doesn't happen in a controlled enviornment it doesn't mean that they do not happen.
Perhaps one way is I can categorize actions.
Category #1 are those at will actions like raising your arm up, standing up, sitting down. You can do it anytime at will.
Category #2 are those which only happen in certain circumstances such as getting an erection for man, or wet for a woman. Feeling deep feelings of love for someone to the point that you body begins creating certain chemicals in your body giving you very nice sensations. You obviously can't do these at will without creating a "circumstance" that is supportive of that experience.... are you understanding what I'm trying to get to here? It doesn't mean an erection doesn't happen, or deep feelings of love don't happen! It just means you are not going to have an erection when the doctor holds your balls and asks you to caugh so he can take some measurement... much like a research study... your sexual body isn't really turned on by that. The same nature also exists of the energetic body, it only happens in certain circumstances... and the very thoughts of the people involved will impact if it can happen or not.
Earlier today a friend of mine invited me to dinner with his family at a Thai restaurant in Mountain View. I had already had a 30 minute conversation with their 9 year old son. I got to really like him and had feelings of affection towards him as I could imagine my son who is now 1 would be 9 some day as well. As a gesture of my affection, where my energy body was happy to comply with (the right circumstance) I took a fork off the table and began twisting it with energy to the point that less than 1 inch was remaining which wasn't twisted. Than I made the outer tips of the fork perfectly straight, and made the two middle one's twist around each other. I gave it to him and he was really happy about it. This was not some trick, or some fork I brought from home... it was a stainless steel fork that they served at this white cloth dinner table type of nice restaurant.
I'm not quiet sure how to really explain the Category #3 and #4, but I hope my above example can serve as some example?
Just please try to understand... at least for me... these actions come from a place of using the energy of my heart chakra and 3rd eye chakra. I have deep feelings of love and bliss as I do this, and as the spoon bends my heart begins beating very fast as if I am running even though I'm using very little force... as much force that I use to type keys on my soft computer keyboard.
I call this energy which I use to do this stuff with as my "shakti" energy. Shakti is our feminine energy which we all have, man or woman. In many ways it is similar in nature to how woman are. A man is ready to go for sex in a second as soon as he sees the woman... at least I am... but for the woman... it takes talking, foreplay, her trusting you and knowing you are a good guy etc... the similar nature seems to apply to my shakti energy.
The idea of a $million, $billion of dollars/euro/yen/gold doesn't seem to have any form of inspiration on my using my heart/spirit/soul energy to bend a fork for some guy named jack offering a million, or another guy named charles offering a free dinner... in general, a dinner is really worthless for me as a prize... though the idea of a $million sure... God, I would love to have a $million bucks... who wouldn't... yet I know how this stuff works, it's almost impossible to do it... and if I manage to find a way to do it... it will feel like I prostituted my soul for it.
My intention when I do these things and move on is the as a confirmation of what I experience inwardly, and as learning more about the universe which I inhabit, the very same universe that also breaths through me.
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Sat, August 2, 2008 - 6:30 PM"For example, when doing it for the sake of showing it to another person it won't work; just because this phenomena doesn't happen in a controlled enviornment it doesn't mean that they do not happen. "
did anybody see the movie "mystery men"? it's not too great; i don't recommend it really. but there's a superhero called "invisible boy" who is asked to become invisible during an audition for entry into the cabal of superheroes, but says he cannot become invisible while other people are around, and the effect also wears off immediately should he look into a mirror. his dark skin may not be a casting coincidence either; it reminded me of the astounding marvel that is ellison's "invisible man."
onlynow may like his transition in the film's denouement, where he finally does become invisible in front of other people, sneaking ninja-style by the bad guys in a fight. voila! "invisible boy" gets the attention he deserves and becomes a hero, albeit by being invisibly visible!
"A man is ready to go for sex in a second as soon as he sees the woman... at least I am... but for the woman... it takes talking, foreplay, her trusting you and knowing you are a good guy etc..."
if you could get pregnant or had an opening more prone to infection, you would probably act the same! ladies used to die in childbirth much more frequently, so caution was even more in order. modern ladies need to take into account modern protective technologies if they're going to overcum such reticence!! hehe well, men learning to say no when it's not feeling right is also revolutionary. and of course homo-dynamics may vary from said pattern, as pregnancy is not a fear, and disease even less so among lesbionic females.
"if I manage to find a way to do it... it will feel like I prostituted my soul for it. "
then donate the million to charity!
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Tue, August 19, 2008 - 6:54 PMOnlyNow,
Interesting story, especially regarding the effects of the color. Jack says bending pencils also crack. There is a Vedic Astrologer I know who uses high intensity light which he passes through Aryuvedically identified gems to cause various forms of psionic healing. I observed him 'heal' a fire-captain who had been severely burned (he looked really nasty) and after only a few months of the treatments, one could not discern the original injuries.
Fascinating stuff out there in the wings of future science.
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Jack has gone into retirement and is no longer teaching the art, I called him and he informed me that he did not know anyone who was going to do so in his stead...bummer.
I recently observed a friend of mine, at a wedding reception, bend a fork, (a Remote Veiwer, trained by Lynn Buchannan), he didn't know he did it. I know these things are possible, I saw my Mother move things by telekenesis (AMORC R+C). Myself, am primarially interested only in Ascension QBLA...no wizardry.
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Spoon bendingtopic posted
Thu, July 31, 2008 - 9:15 PM
by OnlyNow W
1.) I've brought up this topic a number of times. Charles expressed interest in it.
2.) The topic of spoon bending to me relates with the concept of Willful Ignorance.
I've personally bent quit a few spoons and forks using energy. When I focus red energy into the spoon, it becomes soft, very soft to the point that it feels loose... even more loose than a soft paper clip. Then I just start twisting and turning it. Shortly after it gets hard again and the bending stops. The amount of bending has to do with how much energy I put into it. I've also noticed that it's not easy for me to do it around people who are asking me to do it, or coming from a place of doubt. I was able to do it in a group where I learned to do this, though I wasn't able to do it by myself. After some meditative work on myself, I removed doubt, and also gave myself the energy of "self acknowledgment" after this I've been able to do it by myself easily so long as I'm in a somewhat energy sensitive or relaxed mode which is more than 80% of the time for me.
I also noticed that if I use white energy and tried to bend a spoon or fork, it cracks like glass. Using other vibrations that are purple/blue/green (I actually see the color of the energy I output and can control their vibration, intensity) nothing happens to the metal.
I have been so far unable to make it bend without actually using my fingers to bend it. Some folks do this, I haven't learned yet though fully believe it is possible.
My desire for this has been with my efforts in trying to bridge the energetic realm with the physical and create a bridge of understanding at least for my own self.
Additionally, I would also like to share this link of a person named Jack Houck www.jackhouck.com/
Jack has been able to do this bending by will without touching it. He has been teaching people to do this for many years, and is of a aeronautics/mechanics/engineering background. He has made a study of this by taking magnified photographs and made his best attempts to present data at a scientific level. I feel for those interested, that would be a good link to start with.
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Tue, August 19, 2008 - 8:30 PMwow, cool, i just noticed that you have jack's phone number! please tron, if he can take randi's challenge and defeat it, it will be historic!!!!!! -
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Tue, August 19, 2008 - 8:44 PMuh-oh... penn & teller had jack and a spoonbending party in their show "Bullshit!":
www.sho.com/site/ptbs/pr...s_episodes.do
www.randi.org/forumlive/showthread.php
it seems he is on the radar already:
www.google.com/custom
not sure what it all means yet. i have an open mind.
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Fri, October 17, 2008 - 7:32 AMConvenient that you cannot perform this imposssible task in the prescence of "doubters". I beleive the James Randi Foundation will pay you a large sum, I think $1.000,000.00, if you can demonstrate these psycho-kinetic activities to the satisfaction of the moderators. -
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Fri, October 17, 2008 - 7:54 AMThere is a need for some people to believe things, no matter what.
I have a sister like that.
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Fri, October 17, 2008 - 11:26 AM<"I beleive the James Randi Foundation will pay you a large sum, I think $1.000,000.00, if you can demonstrate these psycho-kinetic activities to the satisfaction of the moderators.">
If you believe the 'benders,' that would be a bit like trying to get a hard-on for Rosie O'Donnell while John McCain hovers over you with a video camera. -
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Fri, October 17, 2008 - 6:32 PMI get a woody thinking about kicking rosie o'donnells' ass, lol.
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Fri, October 17, 2008 - 6:35 PMPsuedoscience! Hucksterism! Pshaw!
I call 'em as I see 'em, and let the chips fall where they may: Spoonbending and the like is bullshit. -
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Mon, October 20, 2008 - 5:39 PMWhich was the spoon bent by the real spoon bender?
www.flickr.com/photos/ste...61/sizes/o/
As mentioned earlier in this thread, one of the spoons was bent my a master spoon bender by channeling energy to soften the steel. The other, through the use of brute Neanderthal-like force was bent by me. I'm told it could take me years of studying the art of mind control and how to focus my personal power to be able to melt the metal by the power of mind.
I've signed up for the seven year course in Shangri-La and should be leaving sometime next month. Spoons are just for neophytes; I was told that when I return I should be able to tie a length of railroad track into a knot without so much as touching it. -
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Wed, October 22, 2008 - 6:19 PMGo Charles!!! (again me smiling)
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Sat, November 8, 2008 - 1:11 PM
>I beleive the James Randi Foundation will pay you a large sum, I think $1.000,000.00, if you can demonstrate these psycho-kinetic >activities to the satisfaction of the moderators
Really, he did not pay Uri Geller when Geller bent Randi's car keys in Randi's pocket...sleazed out on a technicality. He did not see the act, so Randi would not pay up.
All you skeptics out there who use "Randi" as the "Silver Standard" by which gauge veracity, try doing a little research on him...then come back and tell us if you still think he's cool.
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Fri, October 17, 2008 - 7:32 AM
Re: Spoon bending
Convenient that you cannot perform this imposssible task in the prescence of "doubters". I beleive the James Randi Foundation will pay you a large sum, I think $1.000,000.00, if you can demonstrate these psycho-kinetic activities to the satisfaction of the moderators
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Re: Spoon bending
Sun, November 9, 2008 - 7:16 PM"Really, he did not pay Uri Geller when Geller bent Randi's car keys in Randi's pocket...sleazed out on a technicality. He did not see the act, so Randi would not pay up."
It sounds like this didn't happen under controlled conditions. Geller is a reasonably skilled conjurer (whether he admits it or not) and there is a lot a magician can do when he controls the environment. David Blane and Darren Brown have done some unbelievable things to people when they are in control of the situation and creating an experience for somebody, and these guys admit they are only creating an illusion (tricks are what whores do for money).
The scientific question is how much Geller can do under modern research controls. Has he ever tried actually taking Randi's challenge?
"All you skeptics out there who use "Randi" as the "Silver Standard" by which gauge veracity, try doing a little research on him"
Having read some of Randi's writing and some criticism of him, I don't consider him the final word on anything. Randi makes it clear in his writing that he is a partisan observer/commentator - he has strong opinions on the paranormal and seemingly on the people who believe in the paranormal. He also makes some very intelligent arguments. He seems to relish being a gadfly, and I think it's good for our discourse to have radical skeptics to balance out the mind-wide-open-brain-falling-out new agers.
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Re: Spoon bending
Mon, November 10, 2008 - 1:34 AMi'm back, and i think he's still cool. he's also a talented as hell magician.
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