why do people have that need then?

i want to know why people won't consider the idea, and if their reticence has anything to do with the idea's genesis in the first place.

The (thou?) emerges from that self interaction.
"Consciousness is those that are harmonized and resonant with the center. One and Itself in the fractal pattern of the whole and all of its possibilities and modes within the greater. (Older?)"

we are limited fragments of the whole and complete of the One- projected into each other and into the each of us.

The 'is' word pretends to be present, while it attempts to stay current, at best consciousness emerged from that self interaction, consciousness was those that were harmonized and disharmonized, resonated and perhaps disturbed.
What was a loop, may just be time-lag, acts of awareness are acts that witness, even an event is predicted, it remains to see that event unfold, this kind of excessive witnessing becomes eventually accepted as a given, no longer worthy of attention or concern, it runs in the background, one more event that becomes delegated to the scrapheap of the understood, it joins in the realm of the unconscious, it’s utilitarian uses opening resources for poorly understood events.

Charles,

How is it that it seems we are saying the same thing sometimes, though we also seem to be on the opposite sides on this? haha

perhaps determinism is when the ego/identity/mind realizes it don't know anything, and starts to become conscious of the "flow" and goes with it. this realization which changed my life from that moment occurred in Nov of 2003 after experiencing, feeling, hearing, seeing the entire universe within my physical body, it kept expanding into this massive vision of what seemed like countless galaxies, until all of existence appeared to be a fruit of non-existence. I'm trying to describe something which I don't think I can describe in words... so that's just a small probably fruitless effort here. That state lasted for almost 3 months nearly constantly. I would be walking to check the mailbox as I kept experiencing this within my body, I had no sense of having muscles, blood, stomach, heart etc. It was that kind of intense experience. Though in different parts of my body there were different sensations, for example in the stomach area I felt a constant infinitely emptying emptiness.

following that experience, right from the first 60 seconds of that experience, I lost sense of "I" from my mind, I could no longer relate with any impressions I had... and my life began a journey of constant change... I had no idea if I would be making love to someone, killing someone, walking in front of a car, flying in the air, or answering the phone the next moment. It had such an intense impact on my psychology that even today, almost 5 years later, I feel my psychology is still trying to reach some state of "balance" in my persona so that I could relate, relate with anything... as I feel there is nothing to relate with. So gradually I began to rebuild the psychological structure, began creating a new sense of self/identity that could function in unison with this inner experience which hasn't left me, though the drama/explosiveness of it has subsided and it has become almost ordinary at this point.

more and more now, I am familiar that it is this inner core that is guiding everything, and it is beyond causality... because of it's nature beyond causality, I describe it as beyond determinism, as its actions/inner-guidance are not from the causality of time, space, matter, thought... rather all these are just mere expressions of it... and these expressions mingling and flowing together, creating tides, waves, whirlwinds, little lakes, mountain hills, bodies of gasses, all eventually just lead to the expression of this self-knowledge, that being the beginning of its expression within its own matrix... and here is where free-will begins, but the free-will is of that inner core... and, in my experience, the only self is that inner core, that is the only actor ultimately... though not everything is aware of this, not everyone is... and perhaps it's not even meant to be that way... we each have our own "pre-determined" self-expression as our outer expression (mind/body) where created within the confines of time/space/matter etc. Though, ultimately, I do see this inner core has the freedom to will from a space beyond causality... and this freedom is what I call free-will, it is quiet far from the free-will from an ordinary sense maybe. perhaps I should use a different phrase?