Does anyone know the differences between Persian Zoroastrians and Indian Zoroastrians (Parsis)? It seems the Parsis version has much to do with Hinduism. Can anyone elaborate? Thanks.
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Re: Persian vs. Parsi
Tue, April 11, 2006 - 6:42 PMTraditions are varied, I’ll post some text from studies
The Parsi ritual invocation of the Fire is called Yasna (Jashn) which corresponds to the Hindu ritual of Yagna. The Parsis wear a Kusti (a holy thread around their waist) which corresponds to the 'Hindu Yagnopavit or Janeu worn around the shoulder and the waist. The Parsis also use coconuts and. grains of rice during their Navjyot and wedding ceremonies like the Hindus.
There are many other similarities in their cuisine, manners and mannerisms, attitudes, etc., Some of which are due to their common Indo-Aryan origin and some others due to a cultural interchange due to the residence of the Parsis in India for 1300 years. -
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Sat, April 15, 2006 - 2:23 PMThanks, that's pretty interesting. What are the philosophical differences? -
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Sun, April 16, 2006 - 1:15 AMYour welcome.
I, too, am just studying about these things and many others. I’m devoting myself to study, and to condense the traditions since our beloved Zarathushtra. I’ve touched on so many topics, time to arrange them and cite references.
I hope all of us can fellowship here on tribe often, and share information.
I hope everyone here will share their words often
The Avesta is composed in two languages: Avestan and Pahalavi. Avestan is a very ancient language and is similar to Sanskrit, the language of the Rigveda, one of the religious books of the Hindus. The similarity between Avestan and Vedic Sanskrit is due to a common heritage. More than 4000 years ago, i.e. before 2000 BCE (Before Common Era), the Indo-Iranians used to live together in the Southern Steppes of Asia. Around 2000 BCE a tribe called Aryans split into two groups: one group went southwest towards modern day Iran and came to be known as the Iranians and the other group went southeast towards India and came to be known as the Vedic Indians. The Indians developed the Sanskrit language while the Iranians independently developed the Avestan language but because of the common Indo-Iranian root many words in the two languages are quiet similar.
www3.sympatico.ca/zoroastrian/Avesta.htm
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Sun, June 18, 2006 - 11:49 AM
I'm a Parsi and a Zoroastrian. I was raised in the faith and try to adhere to most of the basic tenets of the Zoroastrianism. Luckily for me, my father's a scholar in the community so many of the questions I had - that I also see here - have been answered by him.
Its my understanding that the Parsis maintained many of the ritualistic practices of the early Zoroastrians when they resettled in India, whereas the Persian Zoroastrians [those that remained in Iran] had to relinquish many of those practices to avoid letting on that they were Zoroastrian, and thereby incurring discrimination. Yes, the Parsi rituals/traditions have similarities to some Hindu practices ... as I believe was already discussed in another thread, that could be attributed to the similarities in the early Iranian and early Indian cultures. I also know that the Parsis modified some of their rituals over time after dwelling in and embracing the land that gave them sanctuary.
However, the basic tenets of the faith, for the most part, are followed in the same way by both Parsi and Persian Zoroastrians. -
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Sun, June 18, 2006 - 6:40 PMMakes sense. We are indebted to the ones before us who preserved our beliefs regardless of where they reside or resided -
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Sun, June 25, 2006 - 1:47 AMis it true that iranian zorastrians also have an element of worship/reverence/whatever towards islamic precepts? i know an iranian lady who was my neighbor and her family seemed to be a kind of mix of zorastrian and islamic heritage. -
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Sun, June 25, 2006 - 8:03 AMI think there are quite a few similarities between Zoroastrianism and Islam as it is ... as I understand it, Zoroastrianism had a significant impact on the Judeo-Christian and Islamic faiths. Beyond that, I would think that living in an Islamic culture would influence how one would practice the religion, just as the Parsis incorporated some Hindu traditions in the ritual aspects of the religion.
I'm curious as to what specific elements of worship you believe this woman incorporated from the Islamic faith. -
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Sun, June 25, 2006 - 3:19 PMI heard from a Zorastrian that Islam was actually designed by a very learned Zorastrian named Salaman-e Farsi. He found Mohammed, a man who could not read or write just as most Arabs of the time, and in an effort to become king, Salaman made the man into a prophet. He aslo claimed that much of paradise spoken of in the Quron was actually Persia. I found a few sources (though a little different than my friend's story) on the internet:
wais.stanford.edu/Iran/iranandislam.htm
www.bibletranslation.ws/islam.html (Do page search on Farsi)
Also I've read that some new ideas were introduced into Zoroastrianism about 1500 yeas ago. I think some of the new ideas were more similar to Islam (if I remember correctly). -
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Sun, June 25, 2006 - 3:21 PMAlso, I heard that some Zoroastrian groups converted to Islam to hide from the persecutions. They're still Zoroastrian, but claim to be a type of Islam for safety reasons.
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Thu, June 29, 2006 - 4:57 PMwell this lady i referred to seems to sincerely believe that mohammad was god's messenger, like all muslims do. she also believes that mohammad enlightened arabia by banishing paganism. she also reveres the koran along with the zend avesta and says both books actually have a parallel message.
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Fri, July 7, 2006 - 12:10 AMI didn't know too much about this, so I asked my father about what you wrote.
Here's what he wrote:
"Our understanding is that Salman-e-Farsi (which means Salman the Persian) was a Zoroastrian priest, Dastur Dinyar, who happened to meet Mohammed during his travels. He educated Mohammed about the teachings of prophet Zarathushtra (Greek philosophers pronounced his name as Zoroaster). Mohammed had also learned about the teachings of Judaism and Christianity.
I do not know about the reference to Paradise as Persia, but we do know that the word Paradise is from the persian word "Paradis" which also was used to refer to Heaven.
I also do not know of Salman's intention to become king.
It is true that Mohammed was not a literate person. He got his knowledge from verbal communication with other people.
As far as new ideas being introduced into Zoroastrianism about 1500 years ago, I would say the following:
2006 - 1500 = 506 A.D. This would be during the last 100 years or so of the last Zoroastrian Persian empire under the Sassanian dynasty of rulers. Due to destruction of documents after the Arab conquest, it would be difficult to know factual data that could lead us to conclude if and what changes were made. As far as the Parsis understand, the religion was preserved in an authentic manner through the centuries. After Alexander's conquest when Zoroastrian scriptures were first destroyed, and after a couple of centuries of Greek rule, the Zoroastrian religion was revived by the Iranian dynasties of Parthians and later Sassanians, These persian rulers undertook the task of searching, gathering, and reconstituting the scattered surviving scriptures. A team of Zoroastrian scholar priests went through a careful analysis of the documents to create an authentic version of religious scriptures (somewhat similar to the process undertaken by the church of Rome in analyzing different documents and creating a standard approved version).
Some revisionists claim that changes may have been introduced, but traditional Zoroastrians, who are the overwhelming majority, believe that the religion passed down through the centuries is authentic. Legends tell the story of the Sassanian era high priest who was in charge of the analysis and selection of authentic scriptures, Dastur Adarbad Mahraspand, who was said to have undergone a test of having molten metal poured on his chest and not being harmed, as a proof that the authentic scriptures had been honestly compiled."
And there ya have it. Hope that helps. ;)
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Wed, December 20, 2006 - 5:05 PMThe labels Islam and Muslim come from Salamon the Persian.
In Persian it's Mo' Salman and Salman'e Fars (which means Pars, Arabs typically can't prounounce the letter p). He was a Zoroastrian priest or other Mazdaist.
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Sat, February 17, 2007 - 3:38 PM>"I do not know about the reference to Paradise as Persia, but we do know that the word Paradise is from the persian word "Paradis" which also was used to refer to Heaven. "<
It tripped me out when I heard that the ancient Persian word, pardis was also the word for something like garden.
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Sat, December 30, 2006 - 5:33 AMthis topic will not conculated till u not mention the contribution of parsi to indian economy
zain from hyderabad
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Sat, December 9, 2006 - 2:22 AMwelcome u are researching on old persian religion.
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Sat, December 9, 2006 - 2:20 AMpersia is old name of iran. in british raj persian was use to who live in iran, as well the launguage of persia. we indian call persian launguage "farsi". may be from this word parsi derrived those who belive in zorsathan faith. (zurthush). after arbs attack on persia, some parsi came to indian shore particularly to gujrat. present parsis speak gujrati language. the wear unique style of dress. particularly their woman saris are. the contribute india much. they have good sense of hormony. they build new india, good industrialist. recently tata group acquire europ big steel company. -
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Re: Persian vs. Parsi
Tue, December 19, 2006 - 12:06 AMWelcome Newcomer !
Persian denotes Irainian as well as Parsi denotes Indian Zoroastrians
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Tue, December 19, 2006 - 4:24 PMI think one of the main differences is that Parsis believe in the Vedas, where as Persian Zoroastrians don't. -
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Tue, December 19, 2006 - 7:48 PMThe term Parsi denotes a community of Zoroastrians that sought shelter from religious persecution in Persia ... ethnically they remain Persian, but the time spent in a different land lent to different practices and customs between this divided people.
Just to clarify that the Zoroastrian religion includes scriptures, but not all Zoroastrians follow the customs and practices discussed in these texts. I have met Persian Zoroastrians who follow these texts and I have met Parsi Zoroastrians who do not ... its difficult to try to understand the beliefs and religious practices of a Zoroastrian simply on information about where one's family originated from.
Here's a little information on the Zoroastrian Vedas, or Zoroastrian Scriptures:
The Yasna and the Visparad are the Vedas of Zoroastrianism. The first part of Yasna consists of Gathas or hymns which came from the mouth of the prophet. The Gathas are five in number. The Gathas are written in metres which correspond to the metres of the Sama Veda. The second part of Yasna contains prayers addressed to the Supreme Lord and other deities who form the spiritual hierarchy.
Visparad is a collection of invocations or litanies which are recited before other prayers and scriptures. The twenty-one Nasks deal with all kinds of Sciences, viz., medicine, astronomy, agriculture, botany, etc. They correspond to the Vedangas of Hinduism. Then there is the Khordah Avesta or little Avesta which contains Yashts (invocations) and prayers for the use of lay persons. The modern Parsees recite these prayers daily.
Zoroastrian scriptures are called Zend Avesta. They contain three parts. The first is Vendidad. This contains religious laws and ancient mythical tales. The second is Visparad. The third is Yasna. The Avesta contains direct conversations between Zoroaster and Ahura Mazda.
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Re: Persian vs. Parsi
Wed, December 20, 2006 - 11:15 PMthank naz for ur contribution. some where i read that zorasthan prophet not but abraham?
old persian language was pahelvi?
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